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« Reply #50 on: 07 Jul 2006, 17:01 »

I would like a definition of "fake emotion".
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« Reply #51 on: 07 Jul 2006, 17:19 »

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I would like a definition of "fake emotion".


Listen to any bad emo band.
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« Reply #52 on: 07 Jul 2006, 17:45 »

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I would like a definition of "fake emotion".


Listen to any bad emo band.


I would like a definition, not an example.
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« Reply #53 on: 07 Jul 2006, 18:53 »



that's all I'm saying

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« Reply #54 on: 07 Jul 2006, 19:06 »

Nah, Off The Wall is better
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« Reply #55 on: 07 Jul 2006, 19:32 »

FUCK YOU TOO




Thriller is where it's at.
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« Reply #56 on: 07 Jul 2006, 23:21 »

Man there is no limit to how much I agree with you.
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« Reply #57 on: 08 Jul 2006, 00:32 »

I think Thriller's singles were killers. But Off the Wall was more solid.
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« Reply #58 on: 08 Jul 2006, 01:47 »

I can't believe you guys actually like Michael Jackson to any significant degree.

This is irony, right?
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« Reply #59 on: 08 Jul 2006, 03:22 »

I concour wholeheartedly with Khar on this matter.

In other news, Revolver FTW. I think Abbey Road becomes a bit too disjointed towards the end, and while always maintaining greatness, I just think it lacks the "whoa" punch of Revolver.

I recall when I first bought Revolver, before I'd really gotten into the Fab Four. I resolved to listen to it from start to finish, see what all the Beatlemania hype was about.

Whoa. I kept waiting for the filler to start.
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« Reply #60 on: 08 Jul 2006, 06:39 »

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I can't believe you guys actually like Michael Jackson to any significant degree.

This is irony, right?



No, Thriller is just a wonderful pop album and Jackson was pretty ace for most of the 80's. Quincy Jones FTW
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« Reply #61 on: 08 Jul 2006, 08:58 »

No no.

You need 80's pop re-education.

GOOD:


BAD:


GOOD:


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We can cure you Kai! We can cure you!



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« Reply #62 on: 08 Jul 2006, 09:19 »

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I can't believe you guys actually like Michael Jackson to any significant degree.

This is irony, right?


Jacko is a freaking legend.

Fuckin' Billy Jean at my prom, I got my freak on!
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« Reply #63 on: 08 Jul 2006, 09:22 »

He has some tolerable songs, and he once collaborate with Vincent Price.

That is all I'm giving him.

Or, as I'm sure someone will say shortly if I don't: "I only like white people moaning because I'm a boring closet racist who lacks funk".

This is not the case however. I merely like music that is good :(
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« Reply #64 on: 08 Jul 2006, 09:26 »

TEE HEE.

Jacko has a kickass singles collection. When I go to shit nightclubs to pull girls, the only music they play that is vaguely tolerable is Michael Jackson.

Jacko, I salute you.
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« Reply #65 on: 08 Jul 2006, 10:00 »

The singles area really the strongest point of Jackson but come on you can't truly hate Billie Jean? The song is fucking brilliant.

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« Reply #66 on: 08 Jul 2006, 10:34 »

Khar I have not had the will to go seek out Gary Numan's album. Soft Cell, somewhat. And I don't know who Strawberry Switchblade are. But you were definitely lacking something:

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« Reply #67 on: 08 Jul 2006, 13:11 »

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I can't believe you guys actually like Michael Jackson to any significant degree.

This is irony, right?



No, Thriller is just a wonderful pop album and Jackson was pretty ace for most of the 80's. Quincy Jones FTW


Hear Hear!
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« Reply #68 on: 08 Jul 2006, 13:53 »

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I say a lot of condescending shit.


i like dinosaurs, man, and i don't like you.
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« Reply #69 on: 08 Jul 2006, 15:19 »

dinosaurs with reptilian brain stems?
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« Reply #70 on: 08 Jul 2006, 16:01 »

all kinds man.
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« Reply #71 on: 08 Jul 2006, 16:28 »



That's my contribution. No need for vocals in this beautiful, heartfelt album.

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« Reply #72 on: 08 Jul 2006, 18:06 »

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That's my contribution. No need for vocals in this beautiful, heartfelt album.

Explosions in the Sky - The Earth is Not a Cold Dead Place   (for those of you who don't know already)


don't know if I'd call that a pop album...

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« Reply #73 on: 08 Jul 2006, 19:12 »

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That's my contribution. No need for vocals in this beautiful, heartfelt album.

Explosions in the Sky - The Earth is Not a Cold Dead Place   (for those of you who don't know already)


don't know if I'd call that a pop album...


*Rereads the post topic*

Ah... my bad... too true... don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing that it's not popular music. Heh. ^_^ I'm sorry... I was truly overcome with emotion when I first listened to that album. I was reading the posts and not really thinking about the topic, just the context of the posts. *embarassed*

Well then... for popular music...



And



I <3 both of these very much.
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« Reply #74 on: 08 Jul 2006, 19:15 »

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Hey guys, Radiohead sucks, amirite?

Oh, see what I did there?


No. They don't.
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« Reply #75 on: 08 Jul 2006, 21:33 »

The Pleasure Principle is great.

Once Upon a Time is good despite the bombast, but New Gold Dream, and the albums that preceded it, are better.

Thriller's great pop.

Radiohead's better than any band mentioned in this thread except Talk Talk.
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« Reply #76 on: 08 Jul 2006, 23:19 »

your word is my bible. thank you for making everything so clear.

dinosaur hater.
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« Reply #77 on: 09 Jul 2006, 00:48 »

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Once Upon a Time is good despite the bombast, but New Gold Dream, and the albums that preceded it, are better.

I am delighted and legitimately awed with your Simple Minds knowledge. I am mostly giving Once Upon A Time the go-ahead based on the sheer monument of brilliance that is "Don't You Forget About Me."

Other than that despite the dinosaur hating I kind of or just about agree with your statements.
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« Reply #78 on: 09 Jul 2006, 04:21 »

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Those really aren't pop albums.
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« Reply #79 on: 09 Jul 2006, 08:51 »

WYWH is my favourite Floyd album, one of my favourite albums ever, and I think it's the Floyd's greatest work. But, yes, I agree, it is not pop by any stretch.

As for Nevermind...I have seen that kid's dick WAY Too many times for my liking.
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« Reply #80 on: 09 Jul 2006, 11:01 »

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« Reply #81 on: 09 Jul 2006, 11:05 »

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The singles area really the strongest point of Jackson but come on you can't truly hate Billie Jean? The song is fucking brilliant.


No kidding. I'm sorry, but some opinions are just...wrong.

I think Nirvana now qualifies as pop, much as Cobain's corpse may do the Charleston at the very thought. Nevermind completely changed the face of popular music. We're still getting over grunge.
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« Reply #82 on: 09 Jul 2006, 11:29 »

Nevermind was very much a pop album, though. Read interviews with people involved and they knew that what they were making was rock, but very much accessible rock from a man with a talent for writing brilliant pop hooks.
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« Reply #83 on: 09 Jul 2006, 11:50 »

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Nevermind was very much a pop album, though. Read interviews with people involved and they knew that what they were making was rock, but very much accessible rock from a man with a talent for writing brilliant pop hooks.


Exactly. It was definitely Nirvana's most well-known album that they ever cut. I mean, they had others that were very popular, but Nevermind is the only one I've seen that everyone who's ever listened to Nirvana knows about.

And WYWH... well... in it's time when it came out it was a pop album. Pink Floyd's always been at the forefront of music in its own time. (See Piper at the Gates of Dawn for reference ^_^) But to say it's not a pop album is semi-correct. Still, I believe it has a place here in this topic.
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« Reply #84 on: 09 Jul 2006, 12:26 »

All this doesn't change the fact that even good pop is pretty much on the lowest rung of good music. Doesn't make it not good, but there is so, so, so much better stuff.

Remember, indie pop is just pop that failed.
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« Reply #85 on: 09 Jul 2006, 16:38 »

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WYWH is my favourite Floyd album, one of my favourite albums ever, and I think it's the Floyd's greatest work. But, yes, I agree, it is not pop by any stretch.

As for Nevermind...I have seen that kid's dick WAY Too many times for my liking.


Actually, it is pop by "any strectch"--literally, actually. So there's an extended instrumental section at the beginning and end. "Shine on You Crazy Diamond," once it begins, follows conventional song structure. The three songs that follow it are shorter and also follow a more conventional structure, and they're played on classic rock radio all the time.
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« Reply #86 on: 09 Jul 2006, 17:21 »

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All this doesn't change the fact that even good pop is pretty much on the lowest rung of good music. Doesn't make it not good, but there is so, so, so much better stuff.

Remember, indie pop is just pop that failed.


Pretentious much?

Pop is just as artistic as anything you can think of... I'm sorry.
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« Reply #87 on: 09 Jul 2006, 17:39 »

No it's not.

Pop is by definition written within boundaries that are geared towards widespread commercial success, ie popularity, whether it achieves this popularity or not. I suspect you have a wider definition of pop than I do: in my mind, whenever anything veers away from these boundaries or formulas and tries to chart new waters outside them and outside the thrust of mainstream tastes, then its no longer pop, despite any success it may have. I don't think of the later Beatles albums as pop, for example. Pop is the generally mediocre stuff off their early records that financed the experimental brilliance later. You can have good pop songs, but ultimately there's only so much you can do within those boundaries. I don't subscribe to the claptrap about 'polished pop gems', which is more pretentious than most things I've ever said: sometimes you can't polish to the three and a half minutes, if you know what I mean. The best music breaks boundaries, and pop has more boundaries than any other genre I can think of.
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« Reply #88 on: 09 Jul 2006, 19:10 »

See, I define pop by the subgenres all the way down to stuff like chamber pop. I'd include Sufjan Stephens and Belle and Sebastian as pop.
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« Reply #89 on: 09 Jul 2006, 19:32 »

Just because the Beatles broke bouadaries doesn't mean they weren't pop in their later years. They simply redifined it.

Even Spirit of Eden, as experimental as it is, follows conventional song structure--it's just spaced out (in more than one sense). It wasn't until their next album that they abondoned conventional structure entirely.
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« Reply #90 on: 09 Jul 2006, 19:44 »

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« Reply #91 on: 10 Jul 2006, 08:47 »

I concur wholeheartedly with the above post.
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« Reply #92 on: 10 Jul 2006, 09:31 »

And for the record I concur with the three posts prior to Kai. I think that "indie pop" is as viable a subgenre as any other.
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« Reply #93 on: 10 Jul 2006, 09:31 »

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WYWH is my favourite Floyd album, one of my favourite albums ever, and I think it's the Floyd's greatest work. But, yes, I agree, it is not pop by any stretch.

As for Nevermind...I have seen that kid's dick WAY Too many times for my liking.


Actually, it is pop by "any strectch"--literally, actually. So there's an extended instrumental section at the beginning and end. "Shine on You Crazy Diamond," once it begins, follows conventional song structure. The three songs that follow it are shorter and also follow a more conventional structure, and they're played on classic rock radio all the time.


That's a bit of an assumption to make. 'Excluding the enormous orchestral swell at the middle and end, A Day In The Life follows normal song structure.'

Why ignore the part that defines the song?
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« Reply #94 on: 10 Jul 2006, 12:02 »

Considering Spirit of Eden and Laughing Stock were in the original post, everything that's been listed here is pop.  Clearly, this is about pop in the sense of the broad "genre" of "popular music".  As in "not classical music" and the like.

I'm still looking for a definition of "fake emotion".
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« Reply #95 on: 10 Jul 2006, 22:33 »

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I'm still looking for a definition of "fake emotion".


Mariah Carey.

I think we're talking about two distinct definitions of "pop" here. One is music that has a strong melody, traditional songwriting structure, and deliberate hooks, ie. "poppy". Any band can make this kind of music, regardless of genre. The other is music expressly made for the purpose of mainstream consumption, or simply anything popular. Teen pop, gangsta rap, James Blunt, etc.
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« Reply #96 on: 11 Jul 2006, 07:59 »

Again, he doesn't want an example. :P
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