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Is it a waste?
The Eyeball Kid:
--- Quote from: E. Spaceman ---My father's genertation had The Velvet Underground, but they also had motherfucking Sonny and Cher, Herman's Hermits, Journey and many others. We may have to live with Oasis and Coldplay, but there is enough good music for it to even out.
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I like Herman's Hermits
and my friend swears by Journey
the 70s had Led Zepplin. We have Wolfmother, which is a watered down Led Zepplin.
I think this attitude comes from the sort of music people like. Me? I grew up on classic rock, so I like classic rock, classic pop structures, folk rock, etc. Back when that was the dominant commercial music, alot more of it was being made with better production... so of course you're going to have 'classics'. Nowadays the kind of people who make music like that are doing it for the love of it- so you get really beautiful stuff, but its really niche. The Magnetic Fields write perfect pop songs, but most won't be hits.
If i was into noise or hip-hop or electronica or techno i'd probably have a different view. The stuff going on there is still evoloving and its still commercially viable... so there's going to be more of that
There's great stuff in every generation. I'd love to go back to the 60s to see all my fave bands live... but then there'd be no Tom Waits, Nick Cave, Flaming Lips, or Fiery Furnaces
This sort of attitude isn't new. Guys like the Rolling Stones and the Beatles idolized the old bluesmen....
Praeserpium Machinarum:
Exactly and all the classical composers ripped off each other constantly.
So basically rip off-ing is in part what evolved music to its current state.
When someone rips off your favourite band you should be grateful.
It's evolution.
The Eyeball Kid:
--- Quote from: E. Spaceman ---besides, do we really want our beloved bands to become a circus show like the Who or The Rolling Stones?
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The Dresden Dolls are already a circus show!
As for longevity: i can see people listening to The Fiery Furnaces and the Hold Steady and the Decemberists in 30 years. They've got a cult now and they'll have a cult then
A few songs will become 'known' oldies-- when a local indie night played 'Hit Me Baby One More Time' everyone remembered middle school dances and danced, so its happening already. Green Day have alot of songs like this.
In 30 years people will remember the good stuff from when they were kids. Their kids will dig into the history of whatever their fave genre is- from [punk band of the future] to Green Day to the Ramones to garage rock. Same way the Rolling Stones went from Elvis to old bluesmen.
They'll be bands that just keep innovating and touring. I dunno much about rap or electronica. but I can't see guys like Daft Punk or Aphex Twin getting irrelevant and not making music.
I think there's a group of bands that people like me see and like because we can't see the original bands. I'm never going to see The Rolling Stones or The Who or The Jam or The Ramones in their prime, but I can see The Strokes or the Arctic Monkeys or Green Day or whatever and get the same kind of music, live. Heck, if i knew any good local rockabilly bands i'd see them
The Eyeball Kid:
--- Quote from: Der Golem ---
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--- Quote from: Night Rocker ---we all have good bands in the 2000 era, but these bands dont have any staying power.
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That is a pretty weak arguement as we have yet to see if the newish bands have staying power. Comparing The Who to Fall out Boy or any other pop band is unfair, the Who automatically wins, both because we can clearly see how they affected the history of rock and because Fall out Boy suck. But are you really denying the fact that some of the bands we have today will stick around and be appriciated by generations to come?
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all im saying is that bands that have a one hit wonder have ceased to make something new, bands that are not main stream may continue while maintstream bands get their attention and milk it. I wait to see a 2000 era mainstream band last for 20 years, and then good sir, and only then can you spit in my face
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Point taken, there are few big bands today that I can see still going after 20 years. But, when The Who started out, do you think people instantly saw them as a band that would play on for decades? All I'm saying is time will tell, you might be right but we won't know until, what, 20 years from now?
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I saw an article from the British press that talked about local kids complaining that The Who and the Rolling Stones no longer played their favorite hangout every week.
Think about that.
Or 'Little Rooms', the White Stripes song about getting too big in their Detroit scene
or, heck, Architecture in Helsinki going from free gigs at a local university to mentions in QC and spending all their time in the States. Not on the same scale, though
or a guy i know on another board who walked by a local pub, saw 'Arctic Monkeys', though 'wow, what a shit name for a band' and then forgot about them
you don't know whats going to explode
The Eyeball Kid:
--- Quote from: TrueNeutral ---Yeah, "music used to be much better" people annoy me.
No it didn't, you just remember it more fondly and it felt newer back then.
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The whole generation non-gap freaks my mom out, i think. She's like 'you like the BEACH BOYS?' and i'm trying to explain that Brian Wilson is a genius and the template for half the bands i like and all she can remember is 'Surfin Safari' and stuff
same with David Bowie. he's so HUGE in my collection and the guys i like and even hangs out with TV on the Radio and the Arcade Fire... but mom wonders why i like the dude who did 'Space Oddity'
and i use 'jangle' non-ironically. it describes a certain sound i like hearing
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