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metal suggestions?
KharBevNor:
I never said they were not 'in any way metal'. I said they do have a metal influence, but they are not metal. They don't use musical structures identified with metal, they don't share the aesthetic qualities of metal, they're lyrics style is pure hardcore, their vocal style doesn't really resemble anything to do with metal. They named themselves after a line in a Counting Crows song. Any of these things on their own wouldn't necessarily mean much, but together they definitely add up to the band just not being metal.
Storm Rider:
Really, when I was saying that BtBaM was not death metal, I meant that they weren't metal at all, but I didn't want to stir shit up. But now that this debate has already surfaced, Khar's right. They're metalcore. Decent by metalcore standards, but still not metalcore.
And I actually think that all of In Flames' releases until Reroute to Remain are pretty enjoyable. Obviously their first two are their best and certainly their most original, but I have still been known to blast Pinball Map really loud at times.
Reroute and Soundtrack are fucking awful though. Come Clarity is listenable but not good, so I'm hoping that maybe they'll get back to making somewhat fun music again in the future.
KharBevNor:
Pinball Map is a damn fine tune. The first time I saw In Flames live they opened with it, and it still remains one of the highpoints of my live music history. I must admit I barely ever listen to In Flames nowadays however, that goes for any of their albums.
CutMan:
I find it interesting that there's some sort of metal heritage thing, or perhaps tradition is the better word. But by your own words, I've decided that black, death, doom, and any other kind of metal of any sort that came after metal was invented are not really metal. Their vocal and lyrical style were totally different from what metal was.
In fact, maybe Black Sabbath are the ONLY true metal band, being that they basicly invented it.[Then again, that might not be true, I'm sure others did it before them that just didn't get any attention or never made it.]
What you're saying leaves no room for innovation, development, or change... *shrug* Oh, and no shit stirred up at all, I think this is an interesting conversation. I'm not bothered, I hope no one else is. Tis just talk.
Sidenote: Pinball Map = \m/
KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: CutMan on 01 Dec 2006, 15:03 ---What you're saying leaves no room for innovation, development, or
change...
--- End quote ---
Not at all. What I'm saying is there's only so much you can innovate before what you have isn't metal. It's the same in any genre: there are tons of artists who incorporate folk elements who I wouldn't call folk in a million years. Also, in BTBAM's case, they're coming from somewhere outside metal and incorporating metal elements, not working from within metal and diversifying, which does make a difference. There is a very definite metal 'heritage' as you put it, or culture. Some bands write most of their songs about it. Metalheads, though in many ways a quite diverse group, have definite shared aesthetics, tastes, views and so forth that bind them in a sense of cameraderie. Metal is more than just a set of musical conventions.
Also, I'd point out that, since Black Sabbath were doom metal, you're slightly off in your silly contentions.
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