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metal suggestions?
Misereatur:
--- Quote from: ScrambledGregs on 01 Dec 2006, 10:54 ---Reed, Coltrane, Kid 606, fucking Lightning Bolt
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Has nothing to do with this thread (ok, maybe lightning bolt), but those are fantastic albums.
ScrambledGregs:
Yeah, rather than do the usual Anal Cunt/Slint thing, I figured I'd throw those out there. They aren't metal, no. But they definitely have a screeching, noisy, atonal, and yet amazing quality about them, at any rate. Which is kind of METAL in my book.
Dimmukane:
I know, In Flames were decent up until Colony, but I just felt that the only two albums worth your time were the first two. Of course Pinball Map is a good song.
CutMan:
--- Quote from: KharBevNor on 01 Dec 2006, 17:39 ---
--- Quote from: CutMan on 01 Dec 2006, 15:03 ---What you're saying leaves no room for innovation, development, or
change...
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Not at all. What I'm saying is there's only so much you can innovate before what you have isn't metal. It's the same in any genre: there are tons of artists who incorporate folk elements who I wouldn't call folk in a million years. Also, in BTBAM's case, they're coming from somewhere outside metal and incorporating metal elements, not working from within metal and diversifying, which does make a difference. There is a very definite metal 'heritage' as you put it, or culture. Some bands write most of their songs about it. Metalheads, though in many ways a quite diverse group, have definite shared aesthetics, tastes, views and so forth that bind them in a sense of cameraderie. Metal is more than just a set of musical conventions.
Also, I'd point out that, since Black Sabbath were doom metal, you're slightly off in your silly contentions.
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Hm, all right. But how do you not "come from somewhere outside metal" when you're innovating it or inventing a new sound? I still say this means any metal band who put folk in there or any other elements like that arent metal. They're not coming from metal, they're coming from folk. They're just very influenced by metal. Same goes for the screaming or roaring, that wasn't originally part of metal heritage. Why do those things get made exceptions for?
You can't just pick a time where things suddenly cut off, where bands can no longer do things that origianally had nothing to do with metal. And Black Sabbath, Doom Metal? Yeah, I'm going to have to disregard that, I have no idea at all how they could be doom metal. They influenced or inspired it, but that definitely doesn't make them doom metal.al.
KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: CutMan on 02 Dec 2006, 02:00 ---Hm, all right. But how do you not "come from somewhere outside metal" when you're
innovating it or inventing a new sound? I still say this means any metal band who
put folk in there or any other elements like that arent metal. They're not coming
from metal, they're coming from folk. They're just very influenced by metal.
Same goes for the screaming or roaring, that wasn't originally part of metal
heritage. Why do those things get made exceptions for?
You can't just pick a time where things suddenly cut off, where bands
can no longer do things that origianally had nothing to do with metal.
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Between the Buried and Me do not come from a musical background of metal. The largest band that members have previously been involved in was Prayer For Cleansing, a straigthedge metalcore band. Straightedge is almost culturally diametric to metal. Whilst one of them was in an MDM band (Undying) their other former bands (Voids, Azazel, From Here On) are all hardcore or metalcore groups, none of them metal enough to be mentioned on metal archives. BTBAM are signed to Victory records, a hardcore/metalcore/ska/pop-punk label, with stablemates like Aiden,The Black Maria, Comeback Kid, Silverstein, Minus, Streetlight Manifesto, Catch 22, Voodoo Glow Skulls etc. They tour with bands like Norma Jean, The Junior Varsity, Fear Before the March of Flames, Into the Moat and Misery Signals, They aren't metalheads, they don't come from or engage with the metal underground, they don't interact with metal labels, distros or venues, they very rarely tour with metal bands (and then borderline grind crossover acts), they don't share the most basic ethics of metal, they don't act like metalheads,they don't dress like metalheads and they don't play fucking metal. This all adds up to a very big dose of NOT FUCKING METAL. As I said, I'm not saying this makes them shit or anything but they are NOT. FUCKING. METAL. They're hardcore kids pissing around with a few gothenburg licks. Nothing more, nothing less. You're critically fucking misunderstanding what I'm saying, possibly willfully, if you think what I'm saying is there is no room for innovation within the framework of metal. There is plenty, but within the framework of metal. BTBAM are innovating within the framework of hardcore by incorporating metal elements, not vice versa. Just compare metal-based crossover acts like Stormtroopers of Death to actually see the difference.
--- Quote ---And Black Sabbath, Doom Metal? Yeah, I'm going to have to disregard
that, I have no idea at all how they could be doom metal. They influenced
or inspired it, but that definitely doesn't make them doom metal.
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Black Sabbath are clearly listed in the Metal Archives as 'Heavy/Traditional, Doom Metal'. Wikipedia notes 'Heavy metal sub-genres Doom metal, Stoner metal, and Sludge metal reflect a direct influence from Black Sabbath, especially the slower, heavier style on the band's earlier albums' (emphasis mine). Have you actually heard any of Sabbaths songs? Like, say, Electric Funeral? Children of the Grave? Into The Void? Evil Eye? Lord of This World? Over and Over? Under The Sun, Every Day Comes? Now, have you ever heard doom bands like Candlemass, Cathedral, Witchfinder General, Orange Goblinetc.? Of course Black Sabbath were fucking doom. 'Hand of Doom' is why we fucking call it Doom. After all (to quote wikipedia again, sorry, I know it's shit but sometimes it's right) "[Doom Metal] is strongly influenced by the early work of Black Sabbath, and a number of early Black Sabbath tracks, such as "Black Sabbath", are often considered embryonic or prototypical doom metal songs. Many of the tracks on their third album Master of Reality (released in 1971) seem to have more in common with what today is seen as doom metal, with tracks such as "Sweet Leaf", "Into The Void", and "Children of the Grave" that featured Tony Iommi's guitar (and presumably Geezer Butler's bass) tuned down to C# for heavier riffing and reduced string tension for his previously injured fingers." They not just inspired doom metal, they were, for several albums, pretty much pure doom, in the classic sense.
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