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[Johnny C]

There are bands and albums that everyone else likes that I just can't bring myself to enjoy. For example, I've been told that it is comparable to a sex crime that I don't like Gang Of Four, although to be fair I've only heard Solid Gold. I just don't like that record's dynamics and the way that it just kind of sits there without pricking up the nerves like bands that supposedly ape GO4 are able to do.

And I can't stand a lot of classic rock, especially The Rolling Stones and Led Zepplin. The former have definitely turned me off since, well, basically I was born: 1988 was a bad time for them to continue working with "hey guys, let's keep releasing albums many years into our long irrelevant career," a decision they've stuck to since about the mid-seventies. Zep, on the other hand, have always come across as a posturing bunch of elitist "hard" rockers, hell-bent on technical prowess over the finer points of songcraft. Both of these bands have songs which are exceptions, of course, but for the most part I'm still not a fan.

What are albums or bands that everyone is shocked to hear that you guys don't like, and more importantly why don't you like them?

[Thrillho]

I agree about the Stones and Zeppelin, with a few exceptions. I hate 'Satisfaction.' I think that riff, though relentlessly catchy, is ugly, tuneless and abrasive, but then that's probably why they liked it; it's also why I hate it. I do, of course, like quite a few of their songs though; I like that recent one, 'Rain Falls Down,' and 'Start Me Up,' and a few others, but that's about it.

As for Zep, they were just major masturbators. Their live shows were just the musical equivalent of wanking for two hours, with occasionaly good bits in between. I also hate 'Stairway To Heaven.' It's got obvious chords, terrible lyrics, and a rudimentary solo that I could play within about two minutes of listening to the song for the first time. It's awful. And Jimmy Page's Satanism fixation just means I can't take them seriously. Now this is all a bit rich from me because most of my favourite bands are bloated, self-indulgent, pretentious bands with kitchen-sink production. This is true, and I like a few Zeppelin tracks that manage all of that while also squeezing out a good tune, or making it seem appropriate. Basically, I like 'Kashmir' and 'No Quarter' and occasionally 'Immigrant Song.' Nothing else comes to mind.

I also find that most of the songs that people say are Beatles 'classics' I absolutely hate. Now, I think the Beatles were probably the greatest band ever, but the fact that out of their astounding catalogue The Beatles is seen as one of their best albums and 'I Am The Walrus,' 'Revolution Nine,' 'Yellow Submarine' and 'Let It Be' two of their greatest songs boggles my mind. It's ridiculous. The Beatles would make an extraordinary single album, but there is so much unadulterated crap on there that I can't believe how lauded it is.

[Will]

I never much cared for the Beatles.  Before you all completely crucify me for this, I fully acknowledge their influence on music, I just never liked them.  I don't have an outright hatred for them, I just don't care about them at all.

[Misereatur]

I cant stand The Rolling Stones, I don't like the Beatles (although I do like Lennon's solo work, listening to Plastic Ono Band right now).

I do, though, love Led Zeppelin. I think they were one of the best bands to exist.

[E. Spaceman]

I am pretty much the opposite here, i really like many many things i am not supposed to. People on Gabbly have incesntly heard this, but I really like Hilary Duff's latest singles, Wake Up in particular is an amazing song, although not quite as amazing as Ashlee Simpson's work, Boyfriend has a killer riff and chorus, La La was rather good too, Pieces of Me was a very good song, but L.O.V.E. is simply put one of the best songs I've heard lately, catchy as hell and even better than the Orange Juice song of the same name.

As or the Stones, I rather like them until Exile... although my favourite song is definetely Start Me Up, Led Zep I really ove I II and Physical Grafitti. the rest is neither here nor there.

I also think 90s REM was far better than 80s REM, and i am told that is also nonsense.

[Johnny C]

That counts too, Emilio!

Also everyone who likes music reviewing and discussion of the popular music canon should read Kill Your Idols, a book in which albums from Exile On Main St. to Yankee Hotel Foxtrot are ripped apart in essays by critics who hate the album, the artists involved, or both.

[ImRonBurgundy?]

Zep, on the other hand, have always come across as a posturing bunch of elitist "hard" rockers, hell-bent on technical prowess over the finer points of songcraft.

I agree, and this is basically what I was going to say about Led Zeppelin.  I also just can't get into Pink Floyd.  I find them dreadfully boring.  Same with Broken Social Scene, for the most part.

[The Hammered]

For me, it's usually that I don't have the time or money to check them all out (and I only started pretty recently). As a result, there is a lot of "canonical" music that I've never heard. But I'm working on it.

[E. Spaceman]

What i posted in the 'interpol' thread is also valid here.
I prefer New Order to Joy Divison

[Misereatur]

Where the hell is KJS? You need to help me defend Zeppelin dude! ZEPPELIN!

[Merkava]

I think everyone already knows how much I dislike The Decemberists. In my stupider days I used to bring it up at every opprotunity.

It's Colin Meloy's voice coupled with the lame pirate gimmick. Ugh. I hear Crane Wife is different though, maybe I'll check it out.

[!!!CPAOI!!!]

As for Zep, they were just major masturbators. Their live shows were just the musical equivalent of wanking for two hours, with occasionaly good bits in between. I also hate 'Stairway To Heaven.' It's got obvious chords, terrible lyrics, and a rudimentary solo that I could play within about two minutes of listening to the song for the first time. It's awful. And Jimmy Page's Satanism fixation just means I can't take them seriously.

This is coming from the kid who digs Blink 182.

Go home.

[ImRonBurgundy?]

Robert Plant is a slimy fuck
John Bonham man, he really sucked
Those greedy fuckers, those phony shits
They made their money off idiots

I hate Led Zeppelin

12 dollar concerts were all the rage
They bought cocaine for Jimmy Page
"Stairway to Heaven" makes me see red
Bonzo's buried, only three more left

I hate Led Zeppelin

--Screeching Weasel, c.1989

[Inlander]

Hmm . . . If you don't mind me cheating a little, I'm going to nominate one artist and two albums:

"Classic" pop/rockish stuff: not too keen on Bob Dylan.  Can't sing for shit, can't play a guitar for shit, can't play the harmonica for shit, and to my ear his lyric-writing is wildly over-rated.

More recent stuff: Modest Mouse.  I've only heard The Moon & Antarctica, but I cannot for the life of me see why everyone gushes over it so much.  Killer first two songs, one or two other good ones in there, but my god it draaaaaaaaags in the middle.

And perhaps the big one: Kind of Blue by Miles Davis.  For several years I listened almost exclusively to jazz, but I could never get into this album.  I mean it's lovely, sure, but it's just too static: jazz has to have a bit of bounce to it, it has to swing, for god's sake!  Kind of Blue just hits a groove and pretty much stays there for three-quarters-of-an-hour.  I'm a fan of all the musicians involved in the record, but the record itself just doesn't go anywhere.  When it comes to Miles Davis, give me the first quintet any day.

[Gryff]

Um, I DISAGREE with everything you just said, Innie. Especially about Dylan. But okay! That is what this thread is for.

Also everyone who likes music reviewing and discussion of the popular music canon should read Kill Your Idols, a book in which albums from Exile On Main St. to Yankee Hotel Foxtrot are ripped apart in essays by critics who hate the album, the artists involved, or both.

JC, this is a very good book. My girlfriend bought it for me a while back. It's fun reading about how shit all your favourite albums are!

As for me, I think Zep are overrated to some extent, although I still dig 'em, especially their first album, and other songs like 'Houses of the Holy' and 'When the Levee Breaks'.

Hmm, what else? I find it hard to listen to Pink Floyd these days because they got so thrashed by some of my friends during high school. I don't like The Eagles much (probably not alone on this one I suspect), and I hate most of the songs Queen put out.

[Johnny C]

Man the thing about wreckin' the canon is that it makes those of us who love the bands dissed re-evaluate what we love about them, and usually it strengthens our love of them anyways. It's like reverse psychology or something.

[nuisance]

OK... *sleeves rolled up*

"classic" stuff: 

After being exposed to large quantities of Bobs Dylan and Marley by workmates and close friends for many years I still fail to give a shit about either of them.  Not that I think they're bad, I'm just largely uninterested in their music.

My favourite Stones material is when they found disco, singles like Miss You and Emotional Rescue.

I find James Brown, by and large, boring.  Awesome, awesome bands, pity about the songs.

I can't stand Neil Young.  His album 'Trans' is pretty funny, cos it predates Trans Am by a good decade or so, but sounds pretty much the same.


The less classic, "rock snob" canon selections:

I prefer sold-out, crooner Bryan Ferry material to Eno-era Roxy Music.  Actually, now I think about it, I prefer Eno's ambient recordings to his rock albums, which is probably considered naughty by some.

I find Nick Drake's 'Pink Moon' cold and boring, not all harrowing and whatever else.

I don't like 80s hardcore.  I don't mind Fugazi's Waiting Room, but I guess that's their big song for those who don't otherwise give two shits about the whole business.

I don't particularly like post-punk (i.e. what was happening in the late 70s, early 80s in Britain), although sometimes there were a few good songs going.  Well, in some ways I love it, but I don't like listening to it.  I own one Wire album somewhere, and have some PIL singles, but that's about as far as my enthusiasm stretches.  I'm including Joy Division in here too.

Can't stand Gram Parsons.


Contemporary stuff:

I never really liked Public Enemy.

I quite like some Björk (she's an excellent gateway to her generally very creative collaborators - I was shocked when she just took a bunch of other people's tracks wholesale and sang on them for 'Vespertine'), quite like some Beck (although since 'Seachange' the return of the po-mo thing is broing the tits off me.. yet I don't want to hear another 'Seachange'... hmm), and quite like some PJ Harvey (of course, I'd go for 'Is This Desire?', for its more electronic focus).  These are all artists who it seems like critics are unwilling to say a bad word about.

I don't like Aphex Twin or Boards of Canada.  I became obsessed with post-dance electronica around 93-94, so not liking either of these artists kind of ruins other electronica fans' minds, it seems.

I think chart rap is more inventive, honest and inspiring than conscious/backpacker/indie stuff.  By and large.  The love given to artists like Jurassic 5 honestly makes me furious.  And it's really dumb to get furious about music taste.  Let's not talk about The Roots.  Ooh great, there's a hip-hop act who embody the tired values of rock critics - let's all get excited about it!

Dunno if this is anti-canonical or what, but I love R&B singles.  I love R Kelly's Ignition Remix, I think Beyonce's Crazy In Love is one of the best songs of the millenium (maybe second, behind Daft Punk's Digital Love), I'll probably never ever get sick of Brandy's What ABout Us.

I find what gets called "indie rock" (this contemporary, US-led thing, although the contemporary Brits are just as fucked) incredibly backwards-looking and frustratingly safe sounding.  It seems like an endless recycling of ideas from 20-30 years earlier, a celebration of really conservative notions of "good songwriting" and a whole lot of authenticity as a posture.  I think I'm just being angry at fans more than the artists here.

AARGH, enough!

[Splunkle]

Led Zeppelin is interesting - listening to one of their albums is like, "blues, blues, blues, wait, prog rock?" which is always kinda nice.  Though I find their blues stuff kinda boring... but I'm not that into blues, which is probably why.  Personally, my favorite of theirs would have to be Achilles' Last Stand.  But I'm a sucker for gratuitously long songs for no other reason than being long.  

The Beatles best song is Back in the USSR.  So riduculously "hey look, we can do the beach boys thing too!"  

Actually, I can't really think of any artists/albums that everyone says I should like and then I don't... at least not off the top of my head.

Zep, on the other hand, have always come across as a posturing bunch of elitist "hard" rockers, hell-bent on technical prowess over the finer points of songcraft.

I agree, and this is basically what I was going to say about Led Zeppelin.  I also just can't get into Pink Floyd.  I find them dreadfully boring.  Same with Broken Social Scene, for the most part.

Pink Floyd is rather heavily kinda ambient.  And the whole point of ambient is to be boring.  Well, not quite, but very backgroundy.  I mean, one of the fundamental albums of the style was called "music for furniture" or somesuch.  Its not something you litsen to, so much as put on while you do other stuff.  Which is why, by the way, the vast majority of "ambient" stuff isn't really ambient at all - ambient influenced, sure, but not ambient.... anyways.  The point of all this is thats its quite ok to be bored by ambient musics, because most people are.  Including myself.  Ahem.  [/rant]

EDIT because I got ninja'ed:  Neil Young is Canon now?  Shit, sign me up for the haters crowd there.  I know the man has talent, I just can't stand his voice.  Some of the stuff he did with Crazy Horse is preety awesome though - 13 minute covers of "All Along the Watchtower" is where it is at, people. 

[Johnny C]

Bob Marley

I like, quite literally, no reggae.

[sjbrot]

The Stones were like a lot of groups: They had their time, wedged somewhere between an early period of questionable R & B and a latter period of crap, and now they're milking it. Of course, because they've come to a cultural signifier for an entire generation, grown past the distinction of band and all, they've been able to milk it like no other could.

Let's not forget, however, some of the awesome stuff. Let It Bleed and Beggar's Banquet, to name two specific examples, both rock strong and hard, with undeniable (in my mind, at least) standout tracks like "Gimme Shelter" and "Sympathy for the Devil", respectively.

The idea of a rock canon seems really weird. With a lot of different kinds of artists, the work isn't left up to interpration by them year after year after it's written. So, Kadinski isn't going to be painting the same painting more than once, but Alice Cooper will be singing "Eighteen" till the day he dies. Heller won't rewrite Catch-22 for a live audience, though a Morrissey audience would certainly feel cheated if "There Is A Light That Never Goes Out" isn't played.

The idea of an established canon is important for people interested in music criticism. It's just the artists themselves and the ever changing context the music is used in that can bugger it up. Though, many times, the music that is seen as important only seemed so in a certain set of circumstances but now, years latter, it's rubbish.

About Kill Your Idols: Did anyone feel that Carmel Carrillo's essay on music she associated with break-ups seemed out of place and pointless?

[ImRonBurgundy?]

I don't like 80s hardcore.  I don't mind Fugazi's Waiting Room, but I guess that's their big song for those who don't otherwise give two shits about the whole business.

Fugazi started as a conscious effort to break out of the patterns that 80's hardcore had fallen into, so in the strictest sense they can't really be called a hardcore band.

[Misereatur]

And perhaps the big one: Kind of Blue by Miles Davis.  For several years I listened almost exclusively to jazz, but I could never get into this album.  I mean it's lovely, sure, but it's just too static: jazz has to have a bit of bounce to it, it has to swing, for god's sake!  Kind of Blue just hits a groove and pretty much stays there for three-quarters-of-an-hour.  I'm a fan of all the musicians involved in the record, but the record itself just doesn't go anywhere.  When it comes to Miles Davis, give me the first quintet any day.

Getting kind of blue depends on what Jazz fan you are. Kind of Blue is built harmonically on modals and very little chord variation (So What is only two chords: Dmaj7, E flat maj7. Or actually, D dorian and E flat dorian) so if youre used to Swing era Jazz or Bebop and Hardbop you may not like that. Although, Coltrane changed a lot of regular Hardbop chord changes.
Anyway, Kind of Blue is one of my favorite Jazz albums.

[Inlander]

I love jazz of all sorts, from '20s to swing to bop to hard bop to (some) avante-garde, but it's got to have a bit of movement to it.  To me Kind of Blue doesn't move anywhere: it just sits there and bes pretty.  Which is fine, but it's not quite enough for me.  I'd much rather listen to Mingus Ah Um or the Charlie Parker Dial sessions or the Far East Suite or the Atomic Basie or Louis Armstrong Plays W.C. Handy or the Clifford Brown-Max Roach Quintet or Round About Midnight by the first Miles Davis Quintet or . . .

[Inlander]

miles davis

Seeing as how I'm the only person so far who's mentioned Miles Davis, I feel inclined to point out once again that I'm a huge Davis fan, I'm just not that keen on Kind of Blue.

Oh, and all that fusion shit.  But Round About Midnight (1956, first Miles Davs Quintet: Coltrane on tenor, Red Garland on piano, "Philly" Joe Jones on drums, Paul Chambers on bass) is my favourite jazz album, if not favourite album full stop.

So I don't need to try again.  Thankyou!

[Thrillho]

As for Zep, they were just major masturbators. Their live shows were just the musical equivalent of wanking for two hours, with occasionaly good bits in between. I also hate 'Stairway To Heaven.' It's got obvious chords, terrible lyrics, and a rudimentary solo that I could play within about two minutes of listening to the song for the first time. It's awful. And Jimmy Page's Satanism fixation just means I can't take them seriously.

This is coming from the kid who digs Blink 182.

Go home.

Way to judge on the 'this is the thread where you don't get judged' thread, asshole.

Oh, another classic album I don't like - What's Going On by Marvin Gaye. I like 'Inner City Blues,' but the rest of it, all the songs sound exactly the same to me. Admittedly I've not listened to it in depth enough.

[cTony]

I love led zeppelin .

I also hate 'Stairway To Heaven.' It's got obvious chords, terrible lyrics, and a rudimentary solo that I could play within about two minutes of listening to the song for the first time.

Probably their most overated song.. Go to their official website and hear Plant complain about it. :/
Its a POPULAR song, extracted by the taste of the majority.
Eg: I don't judge Metallica by the black album.

And Jimmy Page's Satanism fixation just means I can't take them seriously.

What does that have to do with music? For me, music spawns feelings and sometimes even thoughts. The music doesn't give satanic feelings.. Though i suppose plenty of other music often does.


Me? For 'In Flames', all i had was Come Clarity to judge them by, and had nothing else for a while.. That got some puzzled responses, but then i explained.

[KharBevNor]

Well, I obviously loathe most of the indie canon stuff, whilst liking a lot of classic rock. Within the canon of music I actually like, well. Hmnnn... I think Slayer are terribly over-rated, though not to say they haven't got some cracking songs, and I never got in to Godflesh or any of the bands like Pelican or Isis, except maybe Sunn 0))) if you count them in that area. I think Carcass, At The Gates and Anathema are also over-rated, though nowhere near as much as Slayer. With Carcass I can't stand all the overblown worship of them in the death metal scene, with At The Gates I hate it how everyone says they invented melodeath, when they didn't (Edge of Sanity did) and I just don't think Anathema generally stand up to the early works of My Dying Bride and Paradise Lost. I generally don't like American style death metal, except odd dribs and drabs from odd bands: like I love 'To Serve Man' by Cattle Decapitation, but none of their other stuff. As foir other things, I've never really seen the point of NON (I find it pretty much pure masturbation), though I do like a lot of Boyd Rices other work. Some of those opinions are quite common though. As for the other way round, I like some hair metal, and I fucking love melodic black metal, especially the really awful shit. I would still class myself as a fan of Cradle of Filth, for example, their early work anyway. It's just so damn enjoyable!


Oh, and I don't like The Clash. At all.

[Kid Modernist]

It's your turn to keep trying Tommy, The Clash are awesome.

I can't stand Rufus Wainwright's fucking crooning. Soooo annoying.

[Thrillho]

I love led zeppelin .

I also hate 'Stairway To Heaven.' It's got obvious chords, terrible lyrics, and a rudimentary solo that I could play within about two minutes of listening to the song for the first time.

Probably their most overated song.. Go to their official website and hear Plant complain about it. :/
Its a POPULAR song, extracted by the taste of the majority.
Eg: I don't judge Metallica by the black album.

I don't in either case, I have given many listens to countless Zeppelin albums - as implied by my post, I feel - and dislike just about all of it.. I think another good addition to this thread is the fact that my favourite Metallica songs come after Metallica when they started pissing fans off, because they started not giving a shit and doing what they wanted. It resulted in the second worst material in their career, and yet 'Until It Sleeps' and 'Fuel' are two of my favourites.

And Jimmy Page's Satanism fixation just means I can't take them seriously.

What does that have to do with music? For me, music spawns feelings and sometimes even thoughts. The music doesn't give satanic feelings.. Though i suppose plenty of other music often does.

I just think that Spinal Tap has highlighted the ridiculousness of so many rock bands outside of their music. In The Song Remains The Same, the Peter Grant scenes are practically reproduced verbatim in Tap. It just means the band as people are a joke to me, and for some reason that means I find their music dubious. Oddly enough there aren't many bands where this effects my judgement, but it does for Zep, probably because I hated their music to begin with.

[jeph]

i've heard everything the clash ever did.

But I was there.
I was there in 1974 at the first Suicide practices in a loft in New York City.
I was working on the organ sounds with much patience.
I was there when Captain Beefheart started up his first band.
I told him, "Don't do it that way. You'll never make a dime."
I was there.
I was the first guy playing Daft Punk to the rock kids.
I played it at CBGB's.
Everybody thought I was crazy.
We all know.
I was there.
I was there.
I've never been wrong.

I never particularly found Pavement all that exciting. Not that they're "bad" per se, just that they didn't do it for me.

Pretty much all punk rock I've ever heard bores me to tears. I think it's mainly the really, really monotonous chord progressions. Guys I know it is "punx" or whatever to only use four notes in your songs** but it is also "boring" and "not that hard to learn some other notes on your guitars". That being said, I know I'm not particularly well-versed in the genre (and yes I know there is way more to punk than four-note Ramones knock-offs and preposterous Warped Tour douchebaggery, but I'm simplifying for the sake of argument) so there are probably some gems I'm missing out on...I just can't be bothered to go looking for them when I already get my kicks listening to other stuff.

I can't get into most black metal because of the recording quality most of those bands seem to go for. I get the feeling I would probably really like the music if only I could hear it better.

**: This is really weird, because those same four note repetitions in any other genre can sound like absolute gold to me. I don't know what it is.

[jeph]

It is a fucking great song.

Case in point, re: what I mentioned earlier about punk bands: the song "Ankle Injuries" by Fujiya & Miyagi is, what, basically three notes? And yet I LOVE it. So it must be something about punk's delivery that turns me off. Not sure what it is.

[jeph]

I could see punk bands that sound boring as hell on record just slaying live.

But then, that's the case for most kinds of music.

Shit, I saw Foreigner play at the state fair a few weeks ago and they rocked the fuck out.

[Storm Rider]

I also am pretty vocal in my hate of Slayer, which has nearly gotten me into a fight a couple of times. Kerry King couldn't play guitar in the 80s either, and Reign in Blood is probably the most overrated metal album ever.

[Inlander]

Oh, another classic album I don't like - What's Going On by Marvin Gaye.

Me too.  A couple of great songs, a hell of a lot of filler.  And when it comes to soul singers doing protest songs, Sam Cooke pretty much wrote the definitive chapter in that book with "A Change is Gonna Come".

[Will]

I also am pretty vocal in my hate of Slayer...

I'll fight you!!!  err, i mean...

Actually, I'm probably the world's laziest Slayer fan...I owe that band a hell of a lot for the music I listen to (hell, the early Converge shit is the most blatent Slayer rip-off you can imagine, and even they admit to that) but I just listen to them because they make me smile.  I think that I'm expected to either fight you to the death for their honor, or turn in my secret decoder ring i got when i joined the metal-kid club or something, but I'm way to lazy for either.

Slayer=WAY overrated...but fun as all hell, at least I think so..

[Cernunnos]

Pixies. They just don't do it for me. As is nearly always the case, this is simply my personal disposition, not a denotation of the quality of their music.
same with the Talking Heads, and alot of avant-garde stuff (though there is still a bunch i do like).

speaking of alot of atonal, or soundblock-based music i.e. the more conceptual incomprehensible side of avant-garde, it usually does not do it for me, because it hurts to listen to. Shoenberg is almost unlistenable. But i am thankful it was done, because it really needed to be done. i guess i can dislike something as music but love it as art without feeling conflicted.
 

[rynne]

Godspeed You Black Emeperor and Sigur Rós are probably tied for most boring live show ever.  GYBE is soft part/slow cresendo/loud part: repeat 20–30 times, then call it a night.  Sigur Ros doesn’t even bother with the loud part.  My biggest memory from any time I’ve seen either is the incredible back-pain from standing still for an hour and a half trying (read: failing) to convince myself that their shows were interesting. 

I think both are overrated on their studio work, as well.  Ágætis Byrjun is great, but also at least twice as good as anything else Sigur Rós has ever put out.  And frankly, the two tracks on Sløw Riøt før New Zerø Kanada is as much GYBE as I’ll ever want.

[Kid Modernist]

i've heard everything the clash ever did.

if you play 'london calling' after 'entertainment' by gang of four it sounds laughable.

This is sort of going off subject (or actually maybe not) but I was reallllly unimpressed with entertainment. It's the only thing by Gang of Four I've checked out and I thought it was boring, and that it definitely inspired Franz Ferdinand but Franz Ferdinand does it better.

And I don't like Franz Ferdinand either. hah.

I'll agree with the poster who said Sigur Ros is boring live. I saw them at Coachella and it was dreadful, I'm hoping it was the open air and lots of people though, they seem like a smaller venue band to me.

[BeoPuppy]

I'm with everyone who said that punk is boring. Total crap, all of it. The fact that punk as a genre couples a 'We do whatever we want'-attitude with the inability to actually DO anything new, original or exciting is just ... irony. Or really fucked up.

The Rolling Stones are a classic example of recycling at work. I think there hasn't been a new record by them in decades. they just recut and sample or their old shit into new 'songs'.

I dislike Slayer. Pretentious, off-key, uninteresting.

...what else has been slayed in this thread/

... oh, yeah. Indie-stuff. That just gives a whole new meaning to pretentious. Plus, I don't GET pop music. At all. Indie or otherwise. Why would anyone create music that just ... bounces of the senses? Does nothing? Is wall-paper?

[Splunkle]

... oh, yeah. Indie-stuff. That just gives a whole new meaning to pretentious. Plus, I don't GET pop music. At all. Indie or otherwise. Why would anyone create music that just ... bounces of the senses? Does nothing? Is wall-paper?

Firstly, not all pop music bounces off the senses.... just most of it. ^_^

Anyways, music that bounces off the sense does have its place - advertisments, for example.  The focus should be on the product, not on the music, but you want music that is happy and bouncy so people associate the product with happiness.

I suppose I should declare myself a fan of some electro-pop... Kraftwerk are fucking awesome.

[a pack of wolves]

Let's see...

Bad Brains - I love 80s hardcore. Pretty much all of my favourite music is either in that style or comes pretty directly out of it. But I hate Bad Brains. The vocals irritate me (which is hard to do. I mean, I like Canvas), the lyrics bore me and they committed for me the ultimate musical sin: they got into reggae.

Reggae - All of it. It's just so limp and lacking in any fire and energy. Dub reggae is the worst of all (with the possible exception of every bank manager's favourite, Bob Marley. You sucked Bob).

Sunn - Considering the amount of records Earth have released the point of a sub-par Earth tribute band is...?

Pelican - Their riffs are pathetic except for that one good song and that's pretty damn old by now. Humanfly make them look like a joke.

Metallica - And by that I mean old Metallica. There's just no kick to them, for me their 80s records are down with the legions of forgettable old thrash bands and nowhere near Anthrax, Slayer, Kreator or anyone else still worth listening to.

The Fucking Champs - My friend Paul said it best: "They play rock music for people who don't like rock music... and I like hard rock."

[nihilist]

Paul Oakenfold - One of the original "Superstar" DJs, he churns out so much shit these days that my ears bleed and my brain tries to get my bowels to shit it out.  Seems to exist solely to try to push the agenda of Hollywood folks.  Brittany Murphy - Faster Kill Pussycat was probably the epitome of shite.

DJ Tiesto - He was invited by Disney to remix the track from the Pirates movie.  He accepted.  What the fuck, dude.

UNKLE - Stop wanking to your old sounds, make something new.

Metallica - I used to like their old stuff, then I grew up.  Now I despise them because of their views towards their fans, and digital music.  Eat my dangleberries.

Lindsay Lohan/Paris Hilton - What fuckwit decided to give firecrotch a mic?  Same goes for Ms. Crabs and Herpes.

[salada]

UNKLE - Stop wanking to your old sounds, make something new.

he tried that woth his new album. sounds whack. different, definitely, but whack.

i don't like the arcade fire at all, and there's bound to be other stuff if i think about it a bit.

[Thrillho]

You know, speaking of the Arcade Fire, I think they're overrated. Don't get me wrong, I like them. I adore about seven of the songs on their album. But Win Butler, as a vocalist, particularly live, drives me fucking nuts. But I'd sooner have his voice come out of my own mouth when I spoke than have to listen to any more of that fucking wife of his. The last track on Funeral is the biggest disappointment ever.

[nihilist]

Hrm.  I'd put those Blueberry Boat folks in the same ... boat.  And The Raconteurs can go swim in a croc-filled moat, the one that has Outkast's bones lying at the bottom of it.

[Misereatur]

I hate the White Strips, but I think that The Raconteurs are pretty good. When I first saw their single I thought "hey this is pretty good, wait, is that the prick from the White Strips? He can make good music?"

[Johnny C]

Upon reflection, I realized something. To reggae and Bob Marley's credit, they produced Damian "Jr. Gong" Marley, who melds a lot of genres into his smart, listenable music.

Other than that, still don't like reggae.

[Thrillho]

I hate the White Strips, but I think that The Raconteurs are pretty good. When I first saw their single I thought "hey this is pretty good, wait, is that the prick from the White Strips? He can make good music?"

I have long said that I would by a Jack White album if he got a proper band behind him. He did that with Raconteurs. So I bought it. I'm now quite happy.

[The Hammered]

I just thought of one. Although I adore Fun House and parts of their debut (I wanna be your dog, We Will Fall, Ann, Not Right), I've never cared very much for the Stooges' 1969 or No Fun. They're not terrible, but I don't see why everyone worships them.

Also, I think Sonic Youth's Daydream Nation (and several other albums by them) are really overrated. Sure, some parts are great, but a lot of it gets really boring, particularly later on. However, I'd like to point out that even though the studio version of Eric's Trip is pretty bad, if the Dirty Boots EP is any indication, it is really awesome live.

[robert g]

On Led Zeppelin and The Rolling Stones - These are bands who I'm very selective with, as some of their stuff is pure shite (Stairway to Heaven needs to die). But when they're totally on their game, they're awesome. Led Zeppelin, "When the Levee Breaks." As for the Rolling Stones, that period in the sixties (Their Satanic Majesties Request, "Ruby Tuesday," "She Smiles Sweetly") followed up by "Get Your Ya-Yas Out!." At least Led Zeppelin broke up... whereas the Stones have made a steady course of producing garbage, with the occasionally good song (Beast of Burden is excellent)...

I agree with Godspeed... and almost everyone else on Constellation... doesn't surprise me that most of the members are also part of Broken Social Scene... all that bores me to tears.

I only like one Rage Against The Machine album, and that's Renegades. It's pure goodness. Their albums of non-covers don't interest me at all.

Most really popular indie acts, such as M. Ward, Bonnie Prince Billy, Cat Power, and Okkerrial(sp) River... It all sounds the same after awhile.

I'm kinda angry at the anti-Reggae posts. But I have to go to class soon. I'll write my response that slams you all at another time.

Sigur Ros not interesting? Oh dear. Someone isn't using their ears at all... again I'll be back on that.