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Battlestar Galactica and others
Ozymandias:
--- Quote from: Slick on 15 Nov 2006, 08:08 ---So now that I've ranted at the lot of you, can anyone suggest anything similar to battlestar galactica without the silly drama and contrived scenes? I want to see capital ships without a big TV screen on the bridge fighting big naval battles, and fighter wings duke it out in between. Please, tell me this exists, a place where fictitious technology and space fleets exist?
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Nope. Sorry, BSG is the best you've got.
And the second season is way better than the first season.
KOODustin:
Really, there's nothing out there that even comes close to BSG in terms of what you're looking for. Which kinda sucks that you can't get past all those things you mentioned, because really, it's a damn good show if you just kind of sit back and not think too much about it. And I think Starbuck just volunteers for all of the things she ends up doing, like the interrogation and the protection of Rosalyn. I know Apollo volunteers to serve Rosalyn. And there really isn't any secret service for Rosalyn. She was 47th in line and as such was never given a Secret Service detail. And when you consider the state of the military there, they are understaffed, and don't exactly have the resources to spare. And as for the hair color thing, they actually DO have ones with different hair color. They recently showed a brown haired Number Six. Regarding the interrogation of Leoben, they didn't know at that point that the cylons were good at getting inside your head. They didn't really know anything about them. Hell, they barely know that they look like us. The cylons are robots, but they aren't metallic or anything. They just have synthetically grown organs and such. Now, Starbuck and her Raider are a different story. That's one of those things that doesn't have an explanation. You kind of have to put aside the questions.
Inlander:
--- Quote from: Slick on 15 Nov 2006, 08:08 ---"These cylons are exactly the same and indistinguishable from normal humans. Except, they're robots, they DIE IN THAT FUNNY CLOUD AROUND THE ARMOURY, THEIR BACKS GLOW RED HOT WHEN THEY'RE 'DOING THE NASTY', and THEY'RE FRACKING ROBOTS!" Seriously, baltar never did the robo-chick from behind, even once? Can't they just run that junk under a geiger-counter or something?
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These points mainly stem from the miniseries. The miniseries, although it serves as a useful primer on the main series, has a lot of inconsistencies with what came after it. Such as the fact that the human-model cylons are made of silicon (which would be ridiculously easy to detect); such as the fact that several of the human characters refer to "God", singular. As for Baltar's sexual habits . . . well, is it so hard to believe that he never "did her from behind"? Maybe he tried and she said she didn't want to? As we've seen, she can be very forceful and controlling. Also, it must be remembered that after the Cylon attack, Baltar has a vested interest in stalling the Cylon detection process for as long as possible. Therefore, it can be assumed that any peculiarities with regards to the humans not being able to detect the Cylons can be put down to Baltar sabotaging their efforts: the task of Cylon detection is, after all, almost exclusively his domain.
--- Quote ---"Oh look, we need to have an election because the president is the minister of education! Let's send two of our best FIGHTER PILOTS to act as security and special ops for the debates!" What, there's no one better to guard the president? Like the secret service, or the fracking commandoes?
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You've got to remember that there are fewer than 50,000 humans in the fleet. They won't necessarily have all the skill sets they need. Roslyn was the Secretary of Education, and her visit to Galactica was purely to oversee the opening of a museum, and in a time of peace at that. Therefore she's unlikely to have had many, if any, secret service personnel with her. Meanwhile, every other member of the government was killed in the Cylon attack, along with almost every member of the military. It's reasonable to assume all or nearly all of the secret service was, too. As for commandoes (marines), Wikipedia suggests that because it was being decommissioned, Galactica had relatively few marines on board. This seems reasonable.
--- Quote ---They can make infinitely many of the same model of simalacra, but they can't change their hair colour? Or maybe make slightly different models? Brilliant. Just brilliant. "Come on guys, it'll give the monkeys a sporting chance. And it'll be way funny to see the look on their face when..."
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I see this as psychological warfare: you destroy a human-model Cylon, but it just keeps coming back. Viewed from this perspective, it makes sense the models all look the same. It's more frightening.
--- Quote ---I really wanted someone to use the term 'cluster fuck'
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Then you should be watching the Wire, my friend!
Sergeant Landsmann, after one undercover police officer has shot and killed another: "What a cluster-fuck."
Slick:
--- Quote from: KOODustin on 15 Nov 2006, 08:37 ---Regarding the interrogation of Leoben, they didn't know at that point that the cylons were good at getting inside your head.
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Stop me if I'm wrong, but doesn't adama state that (paraphrase) 'I've dealt with this model before, it's good at getting your head and turning things around', in reference to the cylon he was stuck with on the armoury?
Also, the doggie-style and hair colour comments were more just hyperbole. In meat life, there is no one with whom to discuss such things for me, and I've been frustrated by the bigger details for about a year now.
I get that baltar had his interest in keeping the cylons undetected, but I got the impression that he couldn't detect them easily, even before the cylon-in-his-head broke him. Fuzzy memory may be to blame for that perception, though.
Limited population accounts for some problems, but I still don't like the fighter ace's being jack-of-all trades; I like a distributed cast better than the hero model. It could happen though. The feeling that it was more an artifact of the writers trying to give apollo and starbuck something new and exciting to do threw me off.
The point about the marines makes perfect sense, and this makes me happy.
You've assuaged some of my fears, so I may pick up the second season when I've got a spare stretch of time. Let me know if they say 'cluster-frak' or if a simulacrum says 'frog blast the vent core', however, because I'll be all over it in that case.
Ozymandias:
I think the "Why do Apollo and Starbuck do everything?" questions are pretty much the same as "Why does Kirk always go with the away team?"
Because if some nobody did it, you wouldn't care.
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