Topic: Linux (Read 18048 times)

Misguider · « **on:** 21 Oct 2006, 16:41 »

Anyone use it?? im trying to.

Misguider · « **Reply #1 on:** 21 Oct 2006, 16:42 »

Quote from: Misguider on 21 Oct 2006, 16:41

Anyone use it?? im trying to.

Its quite infuriating!

Mark7 · « **Reply #2 on:** 22 Oct 2006, 01:58 »

Which distro?

Grawsith · « **Reply #3 on:** 22 Oct 2006, 02:04 »

i've always wanted to use it, but Visual Basic only runs on windows.

elcapitan · « **Reply #4 on:** 22 Oct 2006, 03:22 »

That's pretty much the best reason to use Linux that I've heard yet.

Grawsith · « **Reply #5 on:** 22 Oct 2006, 03:28 »

Ã¶de · « **Reply #6 on:** 22 Oct 2006, 12:14 »

Visual Basic is hella crappy.

Use Ubuntu and all will be well.

Misguider · « **Reply #7 on:** 22 Oct 2006, 16:45 »

Fedora core 5 and im gonna kill it. on a related not im using a live cd linux version right now+!

mrtuesday42 · « **Reply #8 on:** 22 Oct 2006, 18:48 »

right...wow...ive used xubuntu, ubuntu, knoppix, auditor, backtrack, and i think thats it...basically installs like windows, make formats installs configure user. you cant be afraid of the command line either because it is quite handy for getting things to work. also there are lots of programs to use that are the equal or greater of windows. but games = bad...except for linux only games

have fun

Ã¶de · « **Reply #9 on:** 22 Oct 2006, 19:45 »

Hah, Fedora, welcome to RPM hell.

Grawsith · « **Reply #10 on:** 23 Oct 2006, 13:34 »

Well, I'm too lazy to learn Linux, and I have 20 gb of Windows games, so i'm kinda locked in.

Mnementh · « **Reply #11 on:** 23 Oct 2006, 14:02 »

I'm using Ubuntu on this laptop (compaq presario) and ready to stab it. For a while I was running Ubuntu as part of a daul boot system on my PowerBook and it ran like a dream. Now I'm back to just OS X on that machine.

It just goes to show how much better a computing experience is when the hardware all runs together decently.

Grawsith · « **Reply #12 on:** 23 Oct 2006, 14:07 »

You know why OS-X and Windows is better. IT COSTS MONEY. You've got paid people using proprietary code to make OS's that cost money. Obviously, money will prevail.

elcapitan · « **Reply #13 on:** 23 Oct 2006, 16:07 »

Grawsith, please don't take this the wrong way, but a man whose best defence for Windows is that it runs VB is in absolutely no position to make blanket statements about the state of the open source movement.

There are plenty of examples of extremely high quality open-source code outperforming production-line stuff out of Microsoft or IBM. The textbook example for the kind of stuff you'd know would be Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird. Other things, such as specialised scientific programs and software libraries, tend to be much better and more reliable when they've been created by individuals who aren't working for corporations, and hence are subject to peer review (such as Boost and FFTW - oh wait, I forgot, you code in VB). There are, of course, examples to the contrary on both sides, but it certainly isn't as black and white as "people who get paid produce better stuff."

Essentially what I'm saying is: shut the fuck up until you know what you're talking about.

Grawsith · « **Reply #14 on:** 23 Oct 2006, 16:13 »

I'm not bagging the entire open source movement. Just the fact that paid OS's will inherently function better than free ones. Like Red Hat and Madriva (paid OS's) being better than Fedora and Ubuntu (free).

And I only code in VB cos it's easier than C# / C++ , and it's not like i'm a pro or anything.

elcapitan · « **Reply #15 on:** 23 Oct 2006, 17:31 »

Fair enough. My own personal dislike of VB aside, though, I think that the extra effort involved in learning C or C++ is more than repaid by the knowledge of data structures and good programming practise that it forces you to have.

Sure, if you want some dodgy form-driven macro, VB is the way forward. If you ever want to code something and be taken seriously, you probably want to use a serious language.

As for Red Hat and the pay distros, IMHO the difference is the support, not the package itself. Ever been on the Gentoo forums? Problems get solved, sure, but in a very haphazard "this works for me, YMMV" way. Red Hat, on the other hand, actually has a good support system and fixes are well integrated into later releases. Several propositions for the commercialisation of the open source model take this exact tack - provide high quality software free, but make people pay for high quality support. Seems to be working for certain markets.

Ã¶de · « **Reply #16 on:** 23 Oct 2006, 19:07 »

Ubuntu has awesome community support, and documentation.

I find it's a lot better than windows if you spend 5 minute looking something up instead of clicking everywhere.

Scytale · « **Reply #17 on:** 23 Oct 2006, 19:41 »

I tried Gentoo for about 3 months, got sick of it pretty fast. Only thing it had going was awesome hardware support, not suprising since you have to compile you're own kernel to install it though. The Gentoo How Too's are very well written as well. i reccomend reading there stuff even on another distro, really help me get stuff like XGL working in FC5.

I've been using Fedora since Core 2, best distro around IMO. I've never had rpm dependancy issues using it. The people who complain about that are just jaded Debian users

. Red Hat 8 yeah that was bad for dependencies but YUM has made everything nice now. I even got my non technical sister into Fedora after she saw me using core 5.

if you are using Fedora and need some help I suggest www.fedoraforum.org I post on there occansionally and there are a lot of other very helpful people there. The IRC channel is also very good.

I agree when it comes to langauges learning C is invaluable.

nihilist · « **Reply #18 on:** 23 Oct 2006, 23:10 »

I've attempted to use Linux on the desktop, but at the end of the day, it is just shit.

Ã¶de · « **Reply #19 on:** 23 Oct 2006, 23:37 »

I tried to look at mikes post in a positive way, but at the end of the day, it is just shit.

nihilist · « **Reply #20 on:** 23 Oct 2006, 23:47 »

Me? Positive? As if!

Just don't like it. It doesn't have any unified feel. Every app operates differently, looks differently, blah blah blah. Don't like that at all. Assuming it even works. Don't care for the packaging systems used; I much prefer downloading a file that I double-click on, and it installs itself.

I am probably just crazy.

Ã¶de · « **Reply #21 on:** 24 Oct 2006, 00:00 »

Have you ever used Ubuntu? It does everything you said Linux doesn't.

nihilist · « **Reply #22 on:** 24 Oct 2006, 00:38 »

Sure I have. Still don't like it.

But my servers sure do love Gentoo. For example, from Roshambo: 2.6.17-gentoo-r8-s2g-limited.com (SMP)

AcrophobicPixie · « **Reply #23 on:** 24 Oct 2006, 05:52 »

Trying to use Ubuntu on my pos laptop...
Now it won't play music *cries*
But it has GIMP and games, so I can keep myself entertained.

Ã¶de · « **Reply #24 on:** 24 Oct 2006, 17:51 »

Codecs?

SpacemanSpiff · « **Reply #25 on:** 24 Oct 2006, 23:39 »

http://www.linux-laptop.net/ And you're probably all set. Someone probably got your distro (or a similar one) running on the model you have. Just follow the instructions.

Personally, I dual-boot Windows (for games and right now university work, but Wine might solve that problem) and Linux. I tried different distros, among them Ubuntu (which doesn't have a seperate root account and thus made me hate it), SuSE (can you say bloated?), Debian (apt-get updating apt-get works about half the time) and Gentoo (--omg-optimized) ... in the end, I always came back to Slackware. It's just the distro I feel at home with the most. It's really simple and clean and ever since I started using Zenwalk, getting up to date packages (via a decent packaging system even) isn't a problem either.
It also runs fine on my laptop (Sony SZ1M/B) with all hardware I need working perfectly.

Does anybody know a good bibliography program for Linux? Because that's what's keeping me in Windows right now. I am accumulating a rather big database of books and stuff and I need an application that can handle this.

nihilist · « **Reply #26 on:** 24 Oct 2006, 23:41 »

People use what they are happy with, it is generally that simple.

Grawsith · « **Reply #27 on:** 25 Oct 2006, 00:45 »

Ok people, I'm learning C Sharp. Happy now?

Catfish_Man · « **Reply #28 on:** 25 Oct 2006, 01:49 »

It's a nice language in quite a few ways.

Misguider · « **Reply #29 on:** 25 Oct 2006, 05:58 »

Anyone hear about the wii possibly running linux. The guy who wrote it was a blogger , so its most likely not true and he has no life

Scytale · « **Reply #30 on:** 25 Oct 2006, 13:57 »

Quote from: Grawsith on 25 Oct 2006, 00:45

Ok people, I'm learning C Sharp. Happy now?

I was thinking about using that for some stuff I was doing at work. Sort of in house scheduling and report generation tool, lot of dynamically generated web pages and that sort of thing.

Had a big long thing about using .NET etc do do it. Ended up going with a Java soloution. Using Apache Tomcat. Seems to be working well. I can't help thinking maybe I should have gone a different route, oh well, this was my first big project like this wher e I've had free reign over the server architecture etc.

Jenno · « **Reply #31 on:** 25 Oct 2006, 14:00 »

I am way more interested in how much access YDL is going to have to the low level hardware on the PS3. If it's easily hackable, the PS3 could quite easily become XBMC^10.

Catfish_Man · « **Reply #32 on:** 25 Oct 2006, 16:04 »

Quote from: Misguider on 25 Oct 2006, 05:58

Anyone hear about the wii possibly running linux. The guy who wrote it was a blogger , so its most likely not true and he has no life

I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if it *can* run Linux; more interesting would be if it does so by default.

nihilist · « **Reply #33 on:** 25 Oct 2006, 21:19 »

Yeah, I'll get right on paying a fuckton of cash for a PS3 to make it into XBMC. Wait, why? I don't buy physical media. I don't need 1080i. A $50 used Xbox + $25 modchip == one hell of a useful media box.

C# and Java are both pretty useful. Ruby is another one to keep an eye on. Oh, and Python.

Jenno · « **Reply #34 on:** 28 Oct 2006, 16:22 »

I already have a modded xbox doing that, but it sucks for my hdtv... also it can't play H.264 at any decent resolution.

nihilist · « **Reply #35 on:** 29 Oct 2006, 09:48 »

Don't have an HDTV, and don't really plan on getting one any time soon. Just don't care.

Ã¶de · « **Reply #36 on:** 29 Oct 2006, 16:31 »

APATHY IS THE OPIATE OF THE MASSES.

schimmy · « **Reply #37 on:** 29 Oct 2006, 18:12 »

Mnementh · « **Reply #38 on:** 30 Oct 2006, 01:42 »

Quote from: öde on 24 Oct 2006, 00:00

Have you ever used Ubuntu? It does everything you said Linux doesn't.

Have you tried upgrading to Edgy yet? Whoo boy.

I agree with mike on this. I prefer Linux to windows because it's closer to OS X, which is what I am used to, but at the end of the day, Linux isn't as cohesive or standardized as either OS X or windows.

Ã¶de · « **Reply #39 on:** 30 Oct 2006, 02:27 »

I don't really see a problem with that, it just gives you more options.

Catfish_Man · « **Reply #40 on:** 30 Oct 2006, 04:52 »

Quote from: öde on 30 Oct 2006, 02:27

I don't really see a problem with that, it just gives you more options.

"Design is the process of applying successive constraints until only a single result is left"

Many people don't seem to realize the cost of options, they see only the benefits. One of my current goals is reducing the number of preferences in Adium without losing anything important. It's a tricky problem, but definitely doable. I've gotten rid of a few already that no one even noticed were missing. Here's what I'm afraid of:

nihilist · « **Reply #41 on:** 30 Oct 2006, 05:05 »

Yay Eclipse!

Catfish_Man · « **Reply #42 on:** 30 Oct 2006, 05:20 »

Eclipse is wonderful, don't get me wrong, but AUGH.

nihilist · « **Reply #43 on:** 30 Oct 2006, 05:37 »

Bothers me that it just keeps getting bigger and bigger. Eclipse 3.2 + MyEclipse 5.x is well over 350MB right now. Add in JDK 5, and an app server, and you're hitting a full CD. That is just fucked up.

Ã¶de · « **Reply #44 on:** 30 Oct 2006, 19:59 »

Quote from: Catfish_Man on 30 Oct 2006, 04:52

"Design is the process of applying successive constraints until only a single result is left"

And then you have something that works perfectly for 1/5 of the market, and doesn't meet the needs of the rest? Or doesn't work with other software or hardware?

Catfish_Man · « **Reply #45 on:** 30 Oct 2006, 23:18 »

An application doesn't have to be everything to everyone*, but you're correct, that quote is an oversimplification to make a point.

The hardest task in user interface design (in my opinion) is making the design scalable: intuitive and functional for new users, while still being powerful and abbreviated for advanced users. Firefox's solution of using extensions to add capabilities is possibly a good one; keyboard shortcuts are also an extremely good way of enhancing things for advanced users.

Unfortunately, many programmers (and users!) don't even realize it's possible. To them a design has to be either dumbed down and easy, or powerful and difficult to learn.

*in fact you could summarize the basics of the original unix application design philosophy as "do only one thing, but do it really well and support pipes to build more complex commands". In today's graphical world pipes are probably not the best way of doing things, but the basic principle of composition still works well.

nihilist · « **Reply #46 on:** 30 Oct 2006, 23:34 »

The bigger problem? Every user has a different idea of what they want. I would suggest having both simple and advanced modes, which allow for showing different options, but most users would probably never even realize that they could change from one mode to the other.

At the end of the day, developers need to realize that their target audience is probably far less proficient with computers than they are.

Catfish_Man · « **Reply #47 on:** 31 Oct 2006, 02:51 »

Quote from: mr. mike on 30 Oct 2006, 23:34

The bigger problem? Every user has a different idea of what they want. I would suggest having both simple and advanced modes, which allow for showing different options, but most users would probably never even realize that they could change from one mode to the other.

Has been tried, doesn't work very well. Too many users fall into in-between categories, and it leads to developers ignoring usability in advanced mode, and features in simple mode.

nihilist · « **Reply #48 on:** 31 Oct 2006, 03:06 »

I know. There is no pancea.

Toba · « **Reply #49 on:** 20 Nov 2006, 03:26 »

1) If you want cohesiveness, don't use Linux.
2) If you want ease of use, don't use Linux unless you want Ubuntu, where #1 still applies partially.
3) If you want a Unix command line, don't use Windows.
4) If you want anything to just work on it (minus the problems you can't fix, but won't happen very often), use Windows.
5) If you want crazyness and awesome all rolled into one, use Linux
6) Yes
7) yes
8) yes

Putting Linux (Gentoo) on my brand new AMD x2 4400+ when the rest of the parts come on Tuesday.

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Mnementh

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Scytale

nihilist

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Scytale

nihilist

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Mnementh

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