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[ImRonBurgundy?]

Oregon grocery store employee claims he wrote "American Idiot", sues Green Day

Paul McPike, a 32-year-old grocery store employee in Medford, OR, has sued Green Day, claiming he wrote the lyrics and composed the melodies for the band's highly acclaimed 2004 album, American Idiot.

McPike's filed a copyright infringement complaint in U.S. District Court last week, claiming that he wrote the album in high school during 1992. The only evidence submitted was a copy of the album, stating that the words lead singer Billie Joe Armstrong sings don't exactly match those printed in the liner notes.

Since McPike has never performed publicly, he assumes that that a friend must have recorded him singing at home and somehow that recording reached Green Day.

You can read the entire story, which includes brief clarification on copyright infringement law, over southern Oregon's Mail Tribune website.

[Felix_]

I would so love for this to be proven true.

[Storm Rider]

That would indeed be amazing.

[ALoveSupreme]

I thought this was going to be a thread comparing 25 or 6 to 4 and Brain Stew.

[Napoleon the Clown]

No proof, no case.  Odds are this is just some asshole hoping to get himself som publicity/fifteen minutes of fame.

He'll never see a dime.  And the lyrics to the song "American Idiot" don't quite jive with the mindset during 1992.  "Age of paranoia"?  "Redneck agenda"?  The guy's so full of shit it should pour out of his mouth every time he opens it.

[ImRonBurgundy?]

Yeah, it's pretty funny, though.

By the way, the power chord riff in "American Idiot" is pretty much exactly the same as the one in the Dillinger Four song "doublewhiskeycokenoice", from their 1998 album Midwestern Songs of the Americas.  And I haven't heard the song in a while, so I can't verify, but I've heard claims that "She's a Rebel" is remarkably similar to Jawbreaker's "Boxcar".

[valley_parade]

Hey, they still manage to put on a good show.

Or at least did as of April, 2005.

[Lines]

i think that's pretty dumb. and probably not true. i don't care for american idiot nearly as much as i do their other albums, but seriously, that's just stupid.

[pat101]

That's one of the funnier things I've read on here. (referring to Tommy's comment, not the whole situation in general)

[AlexAttack]

when i quickly glanced at the title of this thread i somehow thought that green day were covering ministry.
then when i opened the thread i thought they had been caught shoplifting or something.
i'm in the middle of studying for three exams that are tomorrow and my brain is kind of running on over time right now. haha.

[rynne]

This happens every couple years; some nobody claims that a major act stole their music, justifies it with the flimsiest of arguments ("Someone must've secretly taped me a decade ago!" ), and makes a stink in the press. It never gets anywhere. Nothing to see, please move along.

I remember the exact same thing happening a bunch of years back when someone claimed that Trent Reznor stole, like, half of The Downward Spiral from him.

[ALoveSupreme]

I remember the exact same thing happening a bunch of years back when someone claimed that Trent Reznor stole, like, half of The Downward Spiral from him.

lyke, OMG that was me!!!@!@!

[Thrillho]

Hey, they still manage to put on a good show.

Or at least did as of April, 2005.

No, they put on a good performance. The exact same one. For two years straight.

[Misereatur]

It had to be done.

[AlexAttack]

haha yeah. other bands are doing it too. screeching weasel, the queers, the riverdales and avail have taken their stuff from lookout! and are rereleasing their old records elsewhere. lookout! pretty much sucks now(except for mtx).

[Thrillho]

Lookout sucked in the first place, didn't it? I thought they couldn't keep up with demand.

[Napoleon the Clown]

Best case scenario for this asshat:  The judge throws out the case and calls him a dumbass.

Most amusing scenario: Greenday counter sues the guy with the demand that he be degraded on their next album cover.

[ImRonBurgundy?]

Lookout sucked in the first place, didn't it? I thought they couldn't keep up with demand.

Apparently they witheld royalties on a bunch of bands and used the money to put out more records than they could realistically financially support.  So yeah, basically.

[jeph]

THIS JUST IN:

GREEN DAY INDICTED WITH GRAND LARCENY

BAND ACCUSED OF STEALING NOTES E, B, A FROM ALL OTHER BANDS EVER

DETAILS TO FOLLOW

[ImRonBurgundy?]

That reminds me of an April Fool's article I saw one time that talked about Metallica suing some Canadian band for using an E to F chord change.

[El Opium]

Something similar happend with Greenday's last album Warning. An unknown Scottish band attempted to sue them for knicking a hook. It then turned out that the hook in both songs resembled "Picture Book" by the Kinks, so then everyone shut up, which is a good thing.

[Jimmy Balls-O-Steel]

By the way, the power chord riff in "American Idiot" is pretty much exactly the same as the one in the Dillinger Four song "doublewhiskeycokenoice", from their 1998 album Midwestern Songs of the Americas.? And I haven't heard the song in a while, so I can't verify, but I've heard claims that "She's a Rebel" is remarkably similar to Jawbreaker's "Boxcar".

I'm listening to the "doublewhiskeycokenoice," and it seems that, if Green Day did conciously do this, they tweaked it just enough to get away with it. And for the sake of splitting hairs, this really only applies to the song's opening riff.

And "She's A Rebel" not only rips of Jawbreaker, but the chorus is either a rip-off of or an homage to (which is essentially hanging a lantern on a rip-off) the Christmas carol "Do You See What I See?"

[ImRonBurgundy?]

Yeah, the rest of "doublewhiskeycokenoice" attains levels of awesomeness that Green Day could only hope to touch.

And good call with the "Do You See What I See?".  That's pretty damn funny.

[StevoF]

I remember kerrang running a story back in 2001/2002 that they stole warning from another band.

Greenday are past their best anyway..

[öde]

GREENDAY STOLE MY POKEMANS.

[Slick]

Something similar happend with Greenday's last album Warning.

Actually, their last album before American Idiot was Shenaningans. A friend tricked me into buying it so that he could get the last copy of a CD we both wanted. I generally try and forget the fact that I was tricked out of good money for it.

A friend of mine once said that he wished Rivers Cuomo had tragically died after they made Pinkerton so that Weezer would have gone down as another 'amazing' band from the 90's that ended in their prime, like Nirvana or Sublime.
I've once or twice felt bad for thinking the same thing about Green Day, I mean hell, if it happened after Nimrod, they could have played Good Riddance at the funeral and everything!

[Spike]

Dammit, tommy beat me to it.

[Thrillho]

Something similar happend with Greenday's last album Warning.

Actually, their last album before American Idiot was Shenaningans. A friend tricked me into buying it so that he could get the last copy of a CD we both wanted. I generally try and forget the fact that I was tricked out of good money for it.

I think that what he meant was their last studio album.

A friend of mine once said that he wished Rivers Cuomo had tragically died after they made Pinkerton so that Weezer would have gone down as another 'amazing' band from the 90's that ended in their prime, like Nirvana or Sublime.

I disagree. Make Believe was shit, yes, but it was at least better than its two predecessors. And 'Beverly Hills' is probably their best song since Pinkerton (not that it's saying much) and I'd not want my collection to be missing it, really.

I've once or twice felt bad for thinking the same thing about Green Day, I mean hell, if it happened after Nimrod, they could have played Good Riddance at the funeral and everything!

I've always thought Nimrod was their best record, and I think it was more depth and breadth than American Idiot. But I must say I am extremely interested in how their next album will sound. Where do you go from there, really?

[Slick]

I thought Shenanigans was a studio album? International Superhits was the compilation + 2 unreleased tracks, I think Shenanigans was new material. I'm actually just listening to it again now, and it's not too bad. Listening to it helps me console the gap between the sound on American Idiot and the sound pre-Warning. At least their sound changes over time.

I think everyone agrees on Nimrod though, easily the best album. Kind of funny, in that it had just gotten into them when Nimrod came out, and each of the eagerly anticipated albums I bought after that were let down's compared. Actually, screw Shenanigans, it's gotten boring, I'm listening to Nimrod again!

The latest Weezer and Green Day both have redeeming qualities that make them worth being alive for, and if they were dead, I'm pretty sure I'd be sick of them being idolized all the time. Billy Joe, Rivers, I'm glad you're both still alive.

I don't know if you're familiar with Ben Kweller, but his album "Sha Sha" is very much influenced by weezer. I've actually had people ask me if it's the post-blue pre-green stuff I keep going on about. You can tell it's a different writer after a listening to the songs, but it's good stuff.

[Johnny C]

Make Believe was shit, yes, but it was at least better than its two predecessors. And 'Beverly Hills' is probably their best song since Pinkerton (not that it's saying much) and I'd not want my collection to be missing it, really.

Rarely do I say this, but you, sir, are incorrect. My incontrovertible evidence is the song "Keep Fishin'."

[Thrillho]

Johnny C, you are correct sir.

I thought Shenanigans was a studio album? International Superhits was the compilation + 2 unreleased tracks, I think Shenanigans was new material. I'm actually just listening to it again now, and it's not too bad. Listening to it helps me console the gap between the sound on American Idiot and the sound pre-Warning. At least their sound changes over time.

Shenanigans was a flim-flam compilation of their b-sides, mate. Doesn't it say that on the package? Or did you download it...

I think everyone agrees on Nimrod though, easily the best album. Kind of funny, in that it had just gotten into them when Nimrod came out, and each of the eagerly anticipated albums I bought after that were let down's compared. Actually, screw Shenanigans, it's gotten boring, I'm listening to Nimrod again!

[Slick]

I was tricked out of good money for it, I have the hard copy. I think I was still running dial-up back when it came out. Them being b-sides would explain why it doesn't feel like an album, and why that 'Espionage' track is on there. I saw nothing explicitly stating that it was b-sides, but the liner art is a bunch of clippings from old stuff, so that would make sense. As would the fact that I keep hearing snippits of other songs in the album. Where/when did these tracks come from, then? They don't really sound like any of the other albums to me.

I've just finished listening to Nimrod, and I'm thinking Prosthetic Head is way under-rated. It's a pretty awesome song, but it has the bad fortune to be the only track on the album after Good Riddance. I think it'll go on my next mix if I get in on the next forum mix tape exchange.

[Spinless]

The tracks on Shenanigans are from (this is my memory working in overdrive here)

B-Sides to all the singles from Dookie to Nimrod
Tracks that were from Compilation albums (including covers to tribute albums)
2 previously unreleased songs that didn't make the albums
And something else, which I forget.

I'd be able to go into more depth and detail, but I gave away my entire Green Day Discography about 3 years ago.


For the record, Nimrod had pitfalls. Insomniac didn't. Dookie and Warning were pretty balls.

[Slick]

Darryl. You just shattered my world.

I can see some of the songs sounding like they could fit on the earlier albums, but I've previously never gotten that far into the album because the first five tracks sound like they're from warning. I've realised that I like 'Sick of Me', which is decent, but the rest of the album remains lacklustre. It looks like 'Ha Ha You're Dead' was recorded specifically for the album, but everything else is from somewhere else. I should of noticed, because I actually have a longview single which has one of those tracks on it, but the track doesn't fit with the album.

I agree Dookie had some real bad points ('Pulling Teeth' feels like pulling teeth, aptly enough), but it has some of the best Green Day songs on it. Basket Case? When I Come Around? Welcome To Paradise, even though it showed up before Dookie. She? Longview? I was alone, I was all by myself...
Insomniac might be my favorite album to listen to when I feel like hearing Green Day, it's the one that most sounds like what I think of when I think Green Day.
Nimrod diversified their sound a lot, but I think it's the best album the band's put out, what pitfalls can you see?



P.S. I would like to formally request the change of this thread's name from "Green Day = THEIVES!?!?" to "Green Day = Mostly Awesome With a Few Bad Albums"

[Spinless]

To remember the pitfalls of Nimrod, I'd have to listen to it. But I threw away the copy somebody made for me only a few weeks ago!
Didn't it have 'King for a Day' on it? That was AWFUL. (AND it had HORNS! NO punk music, candy or otherwise, should have HORNS!)*
Besides, I'd probably end up naming most of the album.

As for what Green Day are gonna do after American Idiot, I thought the red ties made it obvious? Didn't they release that single 'Miss Murder' too?
Oh, wait...close enough.
Travel back in time 5 years and tell AFI and Green Day that their next few records are all gonna sound exactly the same as eachothers, see how they look at you.


*YES I KNOW. I liked it too!

[Thrillho]

(AND it had HORNS! NO punk music, candy or otherwise, should have HORNS!)*

Bullshit. Listen to Cayto.

[Spinless]

See asterisk.

[Kai]

As for what Green Day are gonna do after American Idiot, I thought the red ties made it obvious?

You can tell what direction they're going, definitely.

[BeoPuppy]

They are going to be the complete opposite of Kraftwerk? They are going to be ... GOOD?

[David_Dovey]

...Take that BACK RIGHT NOW!

[Rizzo]

As for what Green Day are gonna do after American Idiot, I thought the red ties made it obvious? Didn't they release that single 'Miss Murder' too?
Oh, wait...close enough.
Travel back in time 5 years and tell AFI and Green Day that their next few records are all gonna sound exactly the same as eachothers, see how they look at you.

Hey! I resent that! Decemberunderground was one of the best albums New Order has put out!

[öde]

They are going to be the complete opposite of Kraftwerk? They are going to be ... GOOD?

What the hell you just made me stop breathing for like 5 seconds that's how angry I got.

[Spinless]

Nah, I think he has a point. Robots have never been able to make interesting music.

*I kid! We must make fun of the things we love!

[BeoPuppy]

I love a nice reaction.

[timehat]

They are going to be the complete opposite of Kraftwerk? They are going to be ... GOOD?

I was going to say the opposite, but I guess the opportunity is ruined now.

[grenade_pin]

they copied johnny cash in ring of fire with st. jimmy. like one of the guitar solos sounds exactly the same as ring of fire. it's funny really.

[Kwi]

that's akin to claiming to have written 'st.anger'.

even if you did, keep fucking quiet about it.

Best. Post. Ever.

[BeoPuppy]

St. Anger isn't THAT bad. Honestly. I prefer it to Kraftwerk and Green Day.

Shoot me, if you must.

[schimmy]

Okay.

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