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hardcore appreciation thread
Will:
Unfortunately, he is pretty much spot on as far as the scene goes...everything Dimmukane listed there is fairly predominant at almost any hardcore show you go to.
Back in September, I went to see Modern Life Is War with Strike Anywhere and Ignite...the vast majority of the crowd was this group of dirty punk kids, all of them with big ass smiles on their faces the whole time that bands were playing. Everyone was there having a good time, and not afriad to show it. It's one of the best shows overall that I've been to.
On the other hand, in August I went to see Converge playing an off-date show with some smaller hardcore and grindcore bands. The whole time, everyone was busy comparing "I'm more hardcore than you" points, and making anyone who didn't fit their image feel that they had no right even being withing line of sight of the venue.
It's happened to other styles of music, and other scenes - hardcore (and especially metalcore) has started to gain popularity among the masses, and it's turned into a fucking fashion show...kind of ironic, since a lot of the bands that are idolized in this genre scream out against that very thing.
Every scene has its fair share of shitheads...we'e covered that already. Khar's estimation is as right as it gets, 95% of "my" scene sucks, but probably so does 95% of his. So does 95% of the indie scene, I could go on and on. On the upside, the scenes themselves have provided Jeph with plenty of mockery potential in past AND future comics here...so I guess we should at least enjoy that...
Okay, end tangent. I'll jump down off my soapbox, let someone else have a turn. Thanks for playing.
KharBevNor:
I'd agree, but then I remember how well I get on with pretty much every metalhead I meet.
I suppose the distinction is when I say metalhead, I mean 'true' metalheads, which is probably, come to think of it, 5% of the people an outsider might classify as such. I suppose I'm mainly just bitter I've never had the chance to be involved in any sort of scene which I actually think is worth a damn.
Dimmukane:
I'm lucky to know as many "true" (as in, they've listened to a fair amount more than Trivium and Arch Enemy, etc.) metalheads as I do. Like, 4. 3 of them are in the same band, the other one is this crazy kid who's all over the place. I do know one person who's the opposite, but he's led what I guess you could call a hardcore life, so I let it go when he says something like Bullet For My Valentine being black metal.
!!!CPAOI!!!:
I went to a local hardcore show with a friend and the following happened:
We were in Zaxby's getting something to eat, and these two dudes come in. They are both wearing screen-printed button down shirts, obscenely tight vests, and nut hugging jeans and have their nails painted. It's pretty obvious they're going to the show. We got there, and they were pretty easy to find (it was a tiny venue). Fifteen minutes later, I saw them make their way to the back and leave. Later that night we went to IHOP and they were there with some other people. One of these people asks them if they went to the show, and the dude's all like "oh yeah it was fucking fantastic!."
I recognize that this in no way represents the entire hardcore scene or could be used to paint all hardcore fans the same color, but shit like that would not happen if hardcore weren't becoming a "just peel the wrapper and enjoy" identity for lost, self-concious teenagers. The genre is producing some decent bands right now, but the vast majority aren't going to leave a single fingerprint on musical history and you won't care about them in ten years.
I definitely support those bands that are pushing the whole thing forward and seeing what it's capable of producing, that I can respect. On that note, maybe somebody following this thread can suggest some good modern hardcore/post-hardcore that will change my perception of the genre.
Will:
Check out the album "Death Knows Your Name" by The Hope Conspiracy...I really can't recommend this band strongly enough.
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