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TheBoredOne:
Probably the biggest reason why Scientology sounds ridiculous, is all the ridiculous crap people say about it, which people then believe.

mqarcus:
Well, this would be a wonderful opportunity to dismiss these lies and show us the real spirit of scientology.

KharBevNor:
Actually, I've always thought the anti-scientology sentiment is rather unfair. If you used the same sort of rhetoric against Catholicism, it would sound equally ridiculous. That isn't an argument for scientology, however.

TheBoredOne:
Scientology means literally, the study of knowing, in the fullest sense.

I guess I'll start out then, with the shredding of the lies.

Misconception: Thetans
Theta is a word for life force. A Thetan is a person, a spirit. Not his name, body or anything, just his existence.

Aliens:
Scientologists believe the thetan is immortal, and has been around a long time. We believe in past lives, and that this universe has existed for trillions of years.
That's a long time, and Earth is not as old as the universe.
We believe that in the vast universe there are other planets with life older than Earth, and that as we're immortal beings, we've existed in other places besides Earth, just like we exist here now.

I don't personally believe that life began with Earth and that Earth is the center of all life in the universe and somehow, beyond mathematics, we're lucky enough to have a planet just the right distance from the Sun to support life.

So there's that. Xenu? I don't know. I've read as much as I could from actual Scientology books and never saw that name before. My parents were in it longer than me, and they don't know either.

Scientology doesn't deal in aliens. We believe we've existed in other places in the past, but we're here now, and that's what matters.

Now for some new stuff you don't know.

L. Ron Hubbard was just a man, yes. We don't worship him or pray to him. He was a philosopher with a lot of perspective and insight into the human condition. He was very fascinated with the mind and spirit.

He spent his life learning about different cultures and religions on the planet.
He funded his research by writing novels.
Aside from the popular Sci-fi stuff everyone talks about, he also wrote adventure, romance, and espionage.
What I've read so far has been very good, fast paced and full of satire and political sarcasm.

He was most interested in Eastern philosophies, specifically Buddhism.
He greatly admired the Buddha and talks well of him often, and gives a lot of credit to Buddhism for what LRH discovered.
What Scientologists consider "OT" or "Operating Thetan", Buddhists would consider "enlightenment", or something close to it anyway.
An Operating Thetan, is a person who has learned to operate as a spirit, not the same as operating as a body.
A spirit is capable of creation.
When people gather to pray, they're using their strength of will to accomplish something. Wiccans gather in a circle to build up their strength to accomplish something.
Doing things with your will is not new, but this is basically the greater strength of an unburdened spirit.

Dianetics was developed by LRH in 1950. It's a form of therapy which has as its goal, a "Clear".
The mind records everything that happens when you're awake, conscious. This mind is called the Analytical Mind.
When you observe an event, you're able to analyze the data and compute with it. You can decide what to do with this information.

The mind also records what happens when you're unconscious. This is called the Reactive Mind. All the senses are recorded.
Things that happened to you while unconscious, while not apparent to your Analytical Mind, are still available for computation.. but the Reactive Mind's recordings, or "engrams" are not properly analyzed, and so are used for computation irrationally.
Engrams give you wrong information, or incorrect data for the situation at hand, and worse, it's "subconscious".

If for whatever reason you do not apply the data in the engram, it "turns on" the physical pain which created it, as a means to get you to do as the engram dictates.

For example, if you're bit by a dog, and the dog barks, the pain is recorded in your hand where you were bit. The sight, smell, sound of the dog, the environment, sound of the car in the distance, everything, is recorded.

This engram may never be restimulated in your lifetime if the environment is never approximated.
But for the sake of argument, let's say you see a similar dog, or hear a bark or something like that.
The engram says, Danger, dogs = bites = pain = danger. This restimulation has you irrationally afraid of the dog making the sound. If you go against the flow here, and perhaps you own a dog and can't avoid it, the pain will go into restimulation, possibly causing something like arthritis. Some kind of chronic pain.
The possibilities are nearly limitless here.

Dianetics has you return, while conscious and aware, (unlike hypnotism), to moments of pain and unconsciousness, to properly analyze the data which were previously occluded.

This allows you to make rational decisions, and give rational reactions to situations, and also increases your IQ and reaction time.
Also, when you release your attention from these engrams, the pains caused by their restimulation go away.
Like the arthritis from the example, would be gone.

Words also can be perceived in the reactive mind as commands, or they can be restimulative.
This is the purpose of the popular silent birth everyone's heard about.
I'll add here that the mother is not silent during birth, not at all. It is the people in the room who should be silent to reduce any possibility of an engram being restimulated later on in life.

"Clear" is a state of being, where you no longer have present life engrams.
Your life is all readily available to remember. And that's pretty nice.
This does not change who you are, but enhances your ability to express yourself.

If you were a composer of gothic poetry or something, being Clear would allow you to draw more from your experience, or possibly compose other poetry other than goth, if you're engramically stuck in that whole morose mood. It would increase your range of emotions, and increase your range as an artist.

Scientology, in addition to addressing the spirit and mind, takes into consideration the rest of your life. Your job, your relationships, your education, the health of your body.. everything.
It gives you tools to address the problems that come up, so that you can successfully be Cause over life.
My mother got into Scientology because she was an addict. The first thing she did was get off of drugs and never looked back.

Drugs have a lot of negative effects on the body.
A drug is essentially a poison that lowers awareness to some degree, and since you're not computing completely analytically, you are in fact receiving engrams.
This is why we're dead set against the drugging of anyone.
The only time drugs should be given would be to dull the pain of surgery, or child birth if necessary, etc, but the engram received should be immediately "run", or processed, analyzed, however you want to put it.

Scientologists like to be in control of their minds and actions.

Another point I'd like to make is that we are not forced to believe anything.
LRH once said "Now I say to you, "Well, man is basically good." And you look at me, and you say "Aha! Ron says man is basically good. Therefore they are basically good and that's all the thinking I have to do on the subject"- you lazy bones."

By this quote I mean to show you that he emphasized taking what *anyone* says with a grain of salt, until you can prove for yourself that it works, and that it's true.
He also said "If it's true for you, it's true. And if it's not true for you, it still isn't true. Not even if Ron told you, is it true. It's just not true, that's all."

And that's one reason I enjoy Scientology.

I hope you guys understand why I get so upset when people generalize Scientology as having to do with aliens.
It's not about aliens. Talking about aliens doesn't make anything better, it doesn't help me.. there's nothing I can do with a conversation about aliens to improve my life.
Yes, we do believe in past lives, and that the past lives go back further in time than life on Earth.
I'm sure Scientologists aren't the first people to consider this.
I'm not an expert.
I'm not L. Ron Hubbard's biographer and I didn't think up Scientology.
I'm just telling you what I've learned and what I've taken from it.

If you have any more questions or would like for me to clear anything up, just ask.

mqarcus:

--- Quote from: KharBevNor on 28 Dec 2006, 06:11 ---Actually, I've always thought the anti-scientology sentiment is rather unfair. If you used the same sort of rhetoric against Catholicism, it would sound equally ridiculous. That isn't an argument for scientology, however.

--- End quote ---

Of course it would, I never said anything else  :evil:

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