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HBO's A Song of Ice and Fire
Method of Madness:
(click to show/hide)They fuck on his corpse in the book, but not only is it consensual, it's the first time they've seen each other since he was captured by Robb Stark. (He wasn't supposed to see Joffrey alive)
Method of Madness:
(click to show/hide) Since a lot of people have been emailing me about this, however, I will reply... but please, take any further discussion of the show to one of the myriad on-line forums devoted to that. I do not want long detailed dissections and debates about the TV series here on my blog.
As for your question... I think the "butterfly effect" that I have spoken of so often was at work here. In the novels, Jaime is not present at Joffrey's death, and indeed, Cersei has been fearful that he is dead himself, that she has lost both the son and the father/ lover/ brother. And then suddenly Jaime is there before her. Maimed and changed, but Jaime nonetheless. Though the time and place is wildly inappropriate and Cersei is fearful of discovery, she is as hungry for him as he is for her.
The whole dynamic is different in the show, where Jaime has been back for weeks at the least, maybe longer, and he and Cersei have been in each other's company on numerous occasions, often quarreling. The setting is the same, but neither character is in the same place as in the books, which may be why Dan & David played the sept out differently. But that's just my surmise; we never discussed this scene, to the best of my recollection.
Also, I was writing the scene from Jaime's POV, so the reader is inside his head, hearing his thoughts. On the TV show, the camera is necessarily external. You don't know what anyone is thinking or feeling, just what they are saying and doing.
If the show had retained some of Cersei's dialogue from the books, it might have left a somewhat different impression -- but that dialogue was very much shaped by the circumstances of the books, delivered by a woman who is seeing her lover again for the first time after a long while apart during which she feared he was dead. I am not sure it would have worked with the new timeline.
That's really all I can say on this issue. The scene was always intended to be disturbing... but I do regret if it has disturbed people for the wrong reasons.
Then why have that scene at all if so much had changed?
Valdís:
What by Hel.. :-(
--- Quote from: Schmee001 on 21 Apr 2014, 18:58 ---The article's here, if anyone's interested.
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Okay, so, she said no in the book, but was ignored and "Turns out she just didn't know she wanted it"? Ugh..
And it's a chapter written from Jaime's point of view (unlike the show), subject to the potential distortion of being the rapist's perception?
--- Quote from: A commenter ---You're missing the point. Changing this scene to a rape makes even less narrative sense than changing Dany's relationship with Drogo.
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Some not-so-subtle racism there, maybe? The brown man is just way more believable as a rapist, even though he specifically stops and asks if she doesn't want it to happen?
Still a super-problematic relationship that is all kinds of fucked up, but I don't really see how it's so much more believable.
Method of Madness:
Not so much "the brown man" as "the man who had just purchased a child bride" as opposed to a decades long relationship. That being said, Drogo's change made far less sense, especially with how she still falls in love with him soon after.
Valdís:
Right, but bride prices are common and it's not like the Westerosi have a more reasonable age of consent (Sansa at 13 to Tyrion, for instance). Of course that doesn't change that it's taking a scared, mistreated teenage girl and sending her off to marry an older man. Not at all saying it does.
But if doing the same rewrite with Tyrion, who happens to be white, ignoring Sansa's lack of consent.. Yeah. I doubt that type of comment would've been written for that.
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