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HBO's A Song of Ice and Fire
GarandMarine:
Cept everyone's been saying Drogo's change didn't make sense either...
Method of Madness:
That being said, Cersei had a much worse time after being married off to Robert than Dany did to Drogo. It's why she objected so heavily to being married again.
Valdís:
--- Quote from: GarandMarine on 22 Apr 2014, 04:39 ---Cept everyone's been saying Drogo's change didn't make sense either...
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And I was talking about this specific racist line of thought, where they just feel it makes more sense, not those other people?
LeeC:
I think you are making race more of an issue than it really is (Honestly i wouldnt consider him brown). I think they were trying to get across that this was a large army of brutish barbarians and they wanted to convey it with actions rather than just exposition dialog. We've seen white dudes in the series rape quite a few women (hell the Chicken scene with the Hound, that lady sure did not act like she liked the way she was being passed around, rape was definitely implied). I am not saying its acceptable but the sad truth is this kind of thing happened back in medieval times regularly (not to say it doesnt happen at all in modern times either). On top of that, in old timey times it was quite common for a young girl to be married off to some older man and to consummate the marriage the night of the wedding (maybe not the "bedding ceremony" we saw with the Tully wedding, but unless consummated the marriage was not considered "official") but I am pretty sure many of those young women were forced on by their husbands because they are now married and "didn't have a choice." Its ugly and horrid (I hate when authors use rape as a plot device or story telling tool) but to ignore that it ever happened would be lying to the reader. The author and directors of this fantasy land is trying to show how dark and scarey and it is and that its not the devout knight in shining armor fantasy of King Arthur. Often times the "Hero" type will end up dead or be(come) less than honorable in this fantasy land.
I think that's one of the appeals of the show. Its not predictable and we can related to being in an ugly scarey world where we do not know what will happen or if we are making the right decisions. Our leader is shit and would rather kill than help their citizens. The only person who seems to have the best interest of the people gets thrown in jail. Family's go to war or have internal disputes. Being poor and being trampled by the rich.
Metope:
Here's a quote from GRRM on the episode:
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--- Quote ---"...Since a lot of people have been emailing me about this, however, I will reply... but please, take any further discussion of the show to one of the myriad on-line forums devoted to that. I do not want long detailed dissections and debates about the TV series here on my blog.
As for your question... I think the "butterfly effect" that I have spoken of so often was at work here. In the novels, Jaime is not present at Joffrey's death, and indeed, Cersei has been fearful that he is dead himself, that she has lost both the son and the father/ lover/ brother. And then suddenly Jaime is there before her. Maimed and changed, but Jaime nonetheless. Though the time and place is wildly inappropriate and Cersei is fearful of discovery, she is as hungry for him as he is for her.
The whole dynamic is different in the show, where Jaime has been back for weeks at the least, maybe longer, and he and Cersei have been in each other's company on numerous occasions, often quarreling. The setting is the same, but neither character is in the same place as in the books, which may be why Dan & David played the sept out differently. But that's just my surmise; we never discussed this scene, to the best of my recollection.
Also, I was writing the scene from Jaime's POV, so the reader is inside his head, hearing his thoughts. On the TV show, the camera is necessarily external. You don't know what anyone is thinking or feeling, just what they are saying and doing.
If the show had retained some of Cersei's dialogue from the books, it might have left a somewhat different impression -- but that dialogue was very much shaped by the circumstances of the books, delivered by a woman who is seeing her lover again for the first time after a long while apart during which she feared he was dead. I am not sure it would have worked with the new timeline.
That's really all I can say on this issue. The scene was always intended to be disturbing... but I do regret if it has disturbed people for the wrong reasons."
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