Topic: Rage Against Rage Against The Machine (Read 13759 times)

ScrambledGregs · « **on:** 16 Feb 2007, 20:31 »

This band was fucking amazing until I grew up and realize how hypocritical they were.

p.s. Audioslave sucks but I feel too bad to tell my sister and brother in law this fact.

doki · « **Reply #1 on:** 16 Feb 2007, 20:57 »

bitter much?

dont hate the machine, they made some good tunes. isnt that what matters?

KharBevNor · « **Reply #2 on:** 16 Feb 2007, 21:16 »

To be frank, I care little for their supposed 'hypocrisy'.

I just think their music sucks.

Gridgm · « **Reply #3 on:** 16 Feb 2007, 21:24 »

speaking of rage against rage against the machine chris cornell quit audioslave becuase of "personal diferences" what's the chances it ahs something to do with RATM getting back together for corchella

ImRonBurgundy? · « **Reply #4 on:** 16 Feb 2007, 21:46 »

TERROR RAINS DRENCHIN', QUENCHIN' THE THIRST OF
THE POWER DONS
THAT FIVE-SIDED FISTAGON.

EDIT:I love the first two comments on the page where I got these lyrics from:

Quote

by KOOLKRIS on 04-25-2002 @ 07:27:01 PM
DEFINITELY ABOUT WAR AND THE GOVERNMENT
I LOVE RAGE

by PSYCHO697186 on 05-07-2002 @ 06:01:00 AM
I AGREE ITS ABOUT WAR GOOD SONG

MadassAlex · « **Reply #5 on:** 16 Feb 2007, 22:29 »

Quote from: ScrambledGregs on 16 Feb 2007, 20:31

This band was fucking amazing until I grew up and realize how hypocritical they were.

p.s. Audioslave sucks but I feel too bad to tell my sister and brother in law this fact.

I dunno, Audioslave don't have the agression of RATM but I like their groove anyway.

BillAdama · « **Reply #6 on:** 16 Feb 2007, 23:02 »

Rage Against the Machine was one of those 'Sell MTV kids back their own rebellion against us' bands.

But their music wasn't all that bad. Pretty damn good for mainstream.

Johnny C · « **Reply #7 on:** 16 Feb 2007, 23:14 »

Initially I was pissed off about their reforming but RATM were a decent band that politically motivated a lot of kids and made arguably decent music. So they turned Che Guavera into "that guy from the Rage shirt." I doubt that was their intent.

If they go out on tour after this though then they damn well better put out a new album.

Misereatur · « **Reply #8 on:** 17 Feb 2007, 02:33 »

I'm with Jonny on this one. There's more good then bad in what RATM did.

Storm Rider · « **Reply #9 on:** 17 Feb 2007, 02:58 »

Rage Against the Machine's first album had some pretty good riffs in it. I think Tom Morello's a pretty good guitarist who has been in a couple of vehicles that don't really show his talent as much as they could.

Thrillho · « **Reply #10 on:** 17 Feb 2007, 13:41 »

Quote from: Gridgm on 16 Feb 2007, 21:24

speaking of rage against rage against the machine chris cornell quit audioslave becuase of "personal diferences" what's the chances it ahs something to do with RATM getting back together for corchella

Well that would make Cornell a massive hypocrite what with the solo albums and shit.

Valrus · « **Reply #11 on:** 17 Feb 2007, 19:04 »

So if there were a stereo that only played RatM songs, would you have rage against the Rage against the Machine machine?

Johnny C · « **Reply #12 on:** 17 Feb 2007, 21:31 »

If you built a robot to quell riots, would you have built a machine against the rage?

Ernest · « **Reply #13 on:** 17 Feb 2007, 21:36 »

Then if you destroyed the robot, you'd Rage Against the Machine Against the Rage.

Scytale · « **Reply #14 on:** 17 Feb 2007, 21:48 »

Rage against the machine made me look up what "Manifest Destiny" so I guess they taught me something.

Johnny C · « **Reply #15 on:** 17 Feb 2007, 23:30 »

The Against Rage Machine and Machine Against The Rage have joined forces though! You can't rage against the Machine Against The Rage Against Rage Machine!

Against is a ridiculous looking word.

Hat · « **Reply #16 on:** 18 Feb 2007, 00:14 »

I'm not as into them as I was three years ago, but I still put on Evil Empire from time to time. And I think Renegades is a fantastic covers album.

As for the whole hypocrisy thing, I don't really give a crap, although I laughed my arse off at John Safrans rant about the radio edit of Killing in the Name of.

I was kind of disappointed when I found out Zak De La Roche didn't go to fight fascists in the South American rainforest after they broke up though. I kind of imagined him with a Bowie knife between his teeth, muttering "Fuck you, I wont do what you tell me" right before he cut a guys throat.

Thrillho · « **Reply #17 on:** 18 Feb 2007, 05:46 »

You've said that before...

fish across face · « **Reply #18 on:** 18 Feb 2007, 06:12 »

Quote from: Scytale on 17 Feb 2007, 21:48

Rage against the machine made me look up what "Manifest Destiny" so I guess they taught me something.

I found out about the Weathermen because of them.. specifically my dad read the lyrics on the sleeve of the tape I had and asked me if I knew what they meant by "like a motherfucking Weatherman" ... I thought I was going to get a lecture on the swearing, but no...

Whatever RATM intended, they were happily absorbed into the music market along with everything else. Not really sure what an artist who is anti-capitalism can really do to attempt to effect change (as opposed to just steer clear of it themselves) .. shock as a tactic is a happy dynamic of the marketplace already, but what does that mean is left? Subversion? Hm.

Ernest · « **Reply #19 on:** 18 Feb 2007, 18:20 »

Quote from: KharBevNor on 16 Feb 2007, 21:16

To be frank, I care little for their supposed 'hypocrisy'.

I just think their music sucks.

Didn't you say you like Sleep Now in the Fire?

Scytale · « **Reply #20 on:** 19 Feb 2007, 00:24 »

Quote from: fish across face on 18 Feb 2007, 06:12

I found out about the Weathermen because of them.. specifically my dad read the lyrics on the sleeve of the tape I had and asked me if I knew what they meant by "like a motherfucking Weatherman" ... I thought I was going to get a lecture on the swearing, but no...

Whatever RATM intended, they were happily absorbed into the music market along with everything else. Not really sure what an artist who is anti-capitalism can really do to attempt to effect change (as opposed to just steer clear of it themselves) .. shock as a tactic is a happy dynamic of the marketplace already, but what does that mean is left? Subversion? Hm.

I also found out about the Weatherman through looking up what Nevermore were singing about in the song "Timothy Leary" actually, so yeah music teaches you stuff...

Ernest · « **Reply #21 on:** 19 Feb 2007, 07:53 »

Quote from: Johnny C on 17 Feb 2007, 23:30

The Against Rage Machine and Machine Against The Rage have joined forces though! You can't rage against the Machine Against The Rage Against Rage Machine!

Sigged.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #22 on:** 19 Feb 2007, 13:02 »

Quote from: Flaming Ostrich on 18 Feb 2007, 18:20

Didn't you say you like Sleep Now in the Fire?

Only really compared to their other songs.

Cartilage Head · « **Reply #23 on:** 19 Feb 2007, 13:14 »

They were pretty good.

Ernest · « **Reply #24 on:** 19 Feb 2007, 17:40 »

Quote from: KharBevNor on 19 Feb 2007, 13:02

Quote from: Flaming Ostrich on 18 Feb 2007, 18:20
Didn't you say you like Sleep Now in the Fire?

Only really compared to their other songs.

Fair enough.

Narr · « **Reply #25 on:** 23 Feb 2007, 06:16 »

Just noticed this thread because, seeing as I live in the middle of fucking nowhere, I don't get the latest news on things I like.

I'm pretty sad Audioslave broke up. They were my favorite "living" band (as in, still producing music and such).

I would be happy about RATM getting back together except for the fact something I liked a lot better than the original had to end in order for it to happen.

Ernest · « **Reply #26 on:** 23 Feb 2007, 06:59 »

Man that is like saying that Embrace was better than Minor Threat, or Ozzy is better than Black Sabbath.

Narr · « **Reply #27 on:** 23 Feb 2007, 09:02 »

I liked Soundgarden more than Audioslave.

When it comes to RATM, I have always appreciated the musicians but really didn't like De La Rocha. Soundgarden, I'd always appreciated the vocals more than the rest of the band. Audioslave worked for me quite well.

While Black Sabbath was better than Ozzy all around, my favorite songs that Ozzy's ever done were during his solo career. *shrugs*

Ernest · « **Reply #28 on:** 23 Feb 2007, 09:43 »

Well, you can like who you like.

Narr · « **Reply #29 on:** 23 Feb 2007, 22:16 »

I just prefer the non-snob approach. You'd be surprised. Sometimes, just because something is popular and a commercial success, it can still be good.

Ernest · « **Reply #30 on:** 23 Feb 2007, 22:30 »

Definitely the exception, not the rule, though.

Scytale · « **Reply #31 on:** 24 Feb 2007, 02:39 »

Ozzy had Randy Rhoads for a while though, the first two Ozzy albums kick arse, still not as good as Dio-Sabbath though...

KharBevNor · « **Reply #32 on:** 24 Feb 2007, 02:57 »

Ozzy + Black Sabbath > Dio + Black Sabbath > Dio Solo > Ozzy Solo

Basically.

Thrillho · « **Reply #33 on:** 24 Feb 2007, 08:34 »

Quote from: Narr on 23 Feb 2007, 22:16

I just prefer the non-snob approach. You'd be surprised. Sometimes, just because something is popular and a commercial success, it can still be good.

Jesus Christ, the few people left who don't accept that must be walking parodies.

Narr · « **Reply #34 on:** 24 Feb 2007, 21:12 »

Quote from: DynamiteKid on 24 Feb 2007, 08:34

Jesus Christ, the few people left who don't accept that must be walking parodies.

Have you payed attention to the music section on this board? Have you? There's a lot of people that don't "accept that as truth."

The fact I like a couple Creed songs is enough to have me skinned alive. I have to overemphasize how I really don't care for the band so people don't hate me, but what can I say? If I like a song, I like a song.

McTaggart · « **Reply #35 on:** 24 Feb 2007, 21:49 »

Noone actually cares what you like or if you don't like what they like. I'm serious here.

Ernest · « **Reply #36 on:** 25 Feb 2007, 07:30 »

Goddammit! Accidentally hit delete again. Anyway, I'll restate my original point so your post doesn't look like a non-sequitur: Creed sucks.

Thrillho · « **Reply #37 on:** 25 Feb 2007, 08:11 »

Quote from: Narr on 24 Feb 2007, 21:12

Quote from: DynamiteKid on 24 Feb 2007, 08:34
Jesus Christ, the few people left who don't accept that must be walking parodies.
Have you payed attention to the music section on this board? Have you? There's a lot of people that don't "accept that as truth."

The fact I like a couple Creed songs is enough to have me skinned alive. I have to overemphasize how I really don't care for the band so people don't hate me, but what can I say? If I like a song, I like a song.

I think that quite a lot of that is done ironically to take the piss out of people like that. I know I certainly do it.

Quite apart from which, as I said, those people are walking parodies.

The Thrill · « **Reply #38 on:** 25 Feb 2007, 09:00 »

Quote from: KharBevNor on 24 Feb 2007, 02:57

Ozzy + Black Sabbath > Dio + Black Sabbath > Dio Solo > Ozzy Solo

Basically.

That is probably the perfect way to say it and I agree whole-heartedly. And Dio in Rainbow was pretty awesome.

GodofGrunts · « **Reply #39 on:** 25 Feb 2007, 15:28 »

Black Sabbath was amazing with Ozzy
Crazy Train baby!
But all in all I didn't really like RATM... I did like "Killing in the name of" and "Testify" but that's pretty much it.

Narr · « **Reply #40 on:** 25 Feb 2007, 15:47 »

Quote from: GodofGrunts on 25 Feb 2007, 15:28

Black Sabbath was amazing with Ozzy
Crazy Train baby!

Crazy Train was the single Ozzy released after parting ways from Black Sabbath that established his career as a solo artist, actually.

Black Sabbath was stuff like Paranoid and War Pigs.

ScrambledGregs · « **Reply #41 on:** 25 Feb 2007, 16:27 »

Amusingly, I started this thread when I was rip roaringly drunk after seeing a thread about Rage Against The Machine. I had planned on starting a thread after I made this one called "Rage Against Raging Against Rage Against The Machine" about how it's pointless and hypocritical for me to hate Rage because I really liked them a few years ago and still think they're good. But as is the wont of a man intoxicated, I promptly forgot.

David_Dovey · « **Reply #42 on:** 25 Feb 2007, 19:30 »

...and the world is a better place because of it.

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