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the beastie boys. they released their first album ten years before I was born, and people are still buying them.

thats some serious staying power.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #1 on: 10 May 2007, 11:24 »

EGG RAID ON MOJO

EGG RAID ON MOJO!
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #2 on: 10 May 2007, 11:29 »

I thought this thread was going to be about me.

Also Futurama joke goes here.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #3 on: 10 May 2007, 14:22 »

To be fair, they're not especially prolific, which helps ensure quality control.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #4 on: 10 May 2007, 15:36 »

We be gettin' stupid in your area/my beats is sick like malaria/but don't worry I'll take care-a ya
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #5 on: 10 May 2007, 16:41 »

Sam's is a really excellent record store, I have to say.  I spent at least an hour exploring it over spring break.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #6 on: 10 May 2007, 17:35 »

I thought this was going to be about Neurosis.

I should get some more beastie boys. I've got Paul's Boutique and it's one of the few hip hops albums I like.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #7 on: 10 May 2007, 18:48 »

I thought this was going to be about iron maiden, honestly.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #8 on: 10 May 2007, 19:42 »

Best Beastie Boy=  MixMasterMike   :-o
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #9 on: 10 May 2007, 22:15 »

I squealed until a clerk warned me to keep it in my pants.


I would have paid money to witness this.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #10 on: 11 May 2007, 01:04 »

I thought this was going to be about iron maiden, honestly.

Took the words out of my mouth.

Well, either Iron Maiden or Black Sabbath.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #11 on: 11 May 2007, 08:06 »

Black Sabbath Heaven & Hell

Black Sabbath aren't really around any more.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #12 on: 11 May 2007, 10:16 »

This thread could easily be about Iron Maiden.  They still kick ass.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #13 on: 11 May 2007, 11:40 »

Or it could be Neil Young.

Here is a game I call "Neil Young's Best Record."

1) Get together with a friend.
2) Pull a Neil Young record out.
3) Put it on.
4) Repeatedly say, "Oh yeah, this is Neil Young's best album."
5) When the album finishes, put it away.
6) Repeat steps 2-5 with a different Neil Young record.
7) Everybody wins!
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #14 on: 11 May 2007, 13:20 »

I thought this was going to be about iron maiden, honestly.

Bands making the same album twenty times don't count.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #15 on: 11 May 2007, 15:37 »

Tupac, he been dead for awhile and yet he still comes out with a new album, that pwns in my book.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #16 on: 11 May 2007, 15:59 »

Yeah, but Elliott Smith knows that trick too.
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« Reply #17 on: 11 May 2007, 16:07 »

I'd say Tupac has it over Smith in that regard. I'm pretty sure since he died Tupac has almost tripled his discography, or something stupid like that.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #18 on: 11 May 2007, 18:10 »

just wait till bob dylan dies...will get his b side and rarities collection

that will be FUN
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #19 on: 11 May 2007, 18:23 »

This thread should be about the Flaming Lips. You pretty much don't get more awesome than that.
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« Reply #20 on: 11 May 2007, 19:17 »

Bands making the same album twenty times don't count.

Explain this comment or die.

I do not understand.  :-(
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #21 on: 11 May 2007, 19:26 »

He's saying that every Iron Maiden album is the same fucking thing over and over, and they are interchangeable. Which I have to assume is true, since I've heard maybe three Iron Maiden albums all the way through and I can't remember a damn thing about them other than that I was thinking "yeah this is what I expected they'd sound like."
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« Reply #22 on: 11 May 2007, 19:52 »

He's saying that every Iron Maiden album is the same fucking thing over and over, and they are interchangeable. Which I have to assume is true, since I've heard maybe three Iron Maiden albums all the way through and I can't remember a damn thing about them other than that I was thinking "yeah this is what I expected they'd sound like."

I have to disagree. Because multiple lineup changes, subgenre crossovers and a venture into a slight progginess doesn't make for a repetative band. I find most of their stuff pretty distinguished.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #23 on: 11 May 2007, 20:22 »

i think he may be refering to the fact that despite all those line up changes you referenced their current sound could still be classified as NWOBHM 20 years after the movment finished

still i must agree with a "if it ain't broke don't fix it" maxim cause it's still awesome
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« Reply #24 on: 11 May 2007, 20:35 »

He's saying that every Iron Maiden album is the same fucking thing over and over, and they are interchangeable. Which I have to assume is true, since I've heard maybe three Iron Maiden albums all the way through and I can't remember a damn thing about them other than that I was thinking "yeah this is what I expected they'd sound like."

Try listening to self-titled, The X-Factor, and Brave New World.

Sure they stayed in the same genre their whole lives but that's not the same thing as making the same album.

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« Reply #25 on: 11 May 2007, 21:21 »

Black Sabbath aren't really around any more.

Not to mention they've had a fair amount of sucky suck in their discography
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« Reply #26 on: 11 May 2007, 23:36 »

The thing I like about Iron Maiden is how they keep managing to put out Fresh sounding albums all the time. No album they've released has sounded like the one before it. If you look at there discography you can sort of see the way there sound evolves:

S/T -> Killers-> NOTB:  (78-82)  The NWOBHM albums

Then you go from Piece of Mind -> Powerslave: (82 - 85) This is where Maiden went through the 'epic' period, songs like "Rime of the Ancient Mariner", "To Tame a Land", "Powerslave", "Revelations" etc.

Somewhere in Time -> Seventh Son: (86-89) The most experimental period, Concept albums, Synthesizers, lyrics focussed on sci-fi\fantasy

No Prayer for the Dying -> Fear of the Dark: (90-94) Changes their sound again, lyrics and the guitar tone get much darker, Bruce starting singing in a different style . Songs and more topical\political, like "Fates Warning", "Afraid to Shoot Strangers", "Fear is the Key", "Public Enema Number One", "Childhoods End", "Mother Russia", "Judas be my Guide" etc.

X Factor -> Virtual XI:  (95-99)The Blaze Bayley albums, X-Factor is easily the darkest album they've put out, much more modern production.

Brave New World:(2000) Bruce and Adrian come back, Maiden now has 3 guitarists, the album itself is a mix of all the era's of Maiden you've got epic "Ghost of the Navigator" and "The Nomad", dark "Blood Brothers", sci/fi "Out of the Silent Planet". Then there's a couple of songs that hint at the direction they'll be taking on the next album: "Dream of Mirrors" and "The Thin Line Between Love and Hate"

Dance of Death: (2003) Maiden redefine they're sound, much more proggy, experimental, lot of time changes, they are finally utilizing the third guitarist, really a very modern album, kind of left a bad taste in a few peoples mouths, I don't mind it.

A Matter of Life and Death: (2006) It's heavy aggressive and dark, yet all the intricacies from DOD and carried over, the guitar work on tracks like "For Greater Good of God" and "The Longest Day" is amazing. Then there's the lyrics, the most topical they've written every song is around death, war and religion, specifically the role the two latter play in the former. Strongest album they've put out since Fear of the Dark.

I don't know what criteria people are using to jump to the conclusion that they've been releasing the same album for the last 30 years, because thats certainly not the case.

 

 


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« Reply #27 on: 12 May 2007, 00:12 »

Yeah, I agree with the others that the claim that all Iron Maiden albums are interchangeable is basically bullshit.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #28 on: 12 May 2007, 02:16 »

Yeah, but some people can't even tell the difference between Black and Death metal.

Also, if we're going for long running heavy metal awesomeness, JUDAS PRIEST!
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« Reply #29 on: 12 May 2007, 06:27 »

Yeah, I agree with the others that the claim that all Iron Maiden albums are interchangeable is basically bullshit.

But it's sure as hell funny to watch the reaction.

Iron Maiden have not, in fact, just made the same album over and over again. I just find it hilarious to say that.

But frankly, whatever progression they may have made, they've pretty much come full circle as far as I can tell. I'd say the first single from the new album would fit in just fine on the first album that had Bruce singing on it, and vice versa. Admittedly there are progressions. One of my favourite Maiden tunes is 'Journeyman,' because it's apparently their first (????) all-acoustic tune for their entire career. That, to me, is ridiculous, but it's still a hell of a tune.

I think I've just been spoiled, because the bands I listen to like Pink Floyd and Wilco, for the most part made pretty radical changes between two albums or across several albums. Pink Floyd went from twee psychedelida, to West-Coast rock, to stoner prog, to borderline heavy metal, to orchestral rock, to eighties pop-metal, then to prog, across less albums that Maiden have released in total.

So no, the Maiden albums don't all actually sound the same. But if you listen to a Greatest Hits, it's a pretty similar experience song-to-song.
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« Reply #30 on: 12 May 2007, 07:19 »



Iron Maiden have not, in fact, just made the same album over and over again. I just find it hilarious to say that.

But frankly, whatever progression they may have made, they've pretty much come full circle as far as I can tell. I'd say the first single from the new album would fit in just fine on the first album that had Bruce singing on it, and vice versa. Admittedly there are progressions. One of my favourite Maiden tunes is 'Journeyman,' because it's apparently their first (????) all-acoustic tune for their entire career. That, to me, is ridiculous, but it's still a hell of a tune.


Prodigal Son off their second album Killers, was acoustic.

Have you heard Number of the Beast  (the first album with Bruce), without getting into an argument I really can't see how it compares to Reincarnation...

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« Reply #31 on: 12 May 2007, 09:24 »

I'd say Tupac has it over Smith in that regard. I'm pretty sure since he died Tupac has almost tripled his discography, or something stupid like that.

I'm pretty sure he has released at least 9 albums post-humously.
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« Reply #32 on: 12 May 2007, 10:14 »



Iron Maiden have not, in fact, just made the same album over and over again. I just find it hilarious to say that.

But frankly, whatever progression they may have made, they've pretty much come full circle as far as I can tell. I'd say the first single from the new album would fit in just fine on the first album that had Bruce singing on it, and vice versa. Admittedly there are progressions. One of my favourite Maiden tunes is 'Journeyman,' because it's apparently their first (????) all-acoustic tune for their entire career. That, to me, is ridiculous, but it's still a hell of a tune.


Prodigal Son off their second album Killers, was acoustic.

Have you heard Number of the Beast  (the first album with Bruce), without getting into an argument I really can't see how it compares to Reincarnation...



You appear to have missed my real point in exchange for my joke point.
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« Reply #33 on: 12 May 2007, 11:19 »

I think that somebody should make a mash-up of Tupac and Hendrix in honor of them being two artists that seem to release more material posthumously than they did while alive.
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« Reply #34 on: 12 May 2007, 15:48 »

Guest spot by Johnny Cash?
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« Reply #35 on: 12 May 2007, 16:06 »

So the Beastie Boys are pretty good huh guys.
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« Reply #36 on: 12 May 2007, 16:43 »

Has anyone played my game yet?

There's a drinking variant. Take a shot every time you hear something that makes you go, "Yeah!" You won't make it to side two of Harvest.
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« Reply #37 on: 12 May 2007, 17:26 »

Well, I never claimed to be any sort of expert on Iron Maiden, let alone METAL, but going from my experience that's what I assumed was meant by the statement I quoted above. My apologies.
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« Reply #38 on: 12 May 2007, 17:57 »

Yeah, but some people can't even tell the difference between Black and Death metal.

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« Reply #39 on: 12 May 2007, 18:08 »

Has anyone played my game yet?

There's a drinking variant. Take a shot every time you hear something that makes you go, "Yeah!" You won't make it to side two of Harvest.

That sounds pretty fun, actually.


But I think thats pretty much because I'm in a mood to drink.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #40 on: 13 May 2007, 18:12 »

Am I the only person on the planet who has never, ever thought the Beastie Boys were any good?
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #41 on: 13 May 2007, 18:15 »

I have a better question, who says "pwn"?
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« Reply #42 on: 13 May 2007, 18:17 »

I do sometimes.
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« Reply #43 on: 13 May 2007, 19:08 »

This thread should have been about Springsteen.
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Re: you know whos been around for forever and still pwn?
« Reply #44 on: 13 May 2007, 19:11 »

There's a reason this thread can't be about Springsteen. He sucks, and always has.

Beatie Boys are ok, nothing amazing though.


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« Reply #45 on: 13 May 2007, 19:38 »

Am I the only person on the planet who has never, ever thought the Beastie Boys were any good?
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« Reply #46 on: 13 May 2007, 20:00 »

The Beastie Boys have always been a better singles group than an album bunch but I don't think that really negates any of their better work. I didn't really like To The 5 Boroughs but I think the fellas have put out some remarkable records, especially the absolutely masterful Paul's Boutique and large portions of Hello Nasty and Ill Communication. Check Your Head is good as well, though weaker than any of those three records.

I could probably go through each of these albums but suggesting that might actually happen would not take into account my remarkable laziness.
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« Reply #47 on: 13 May 2007, 20:36 »

There's a reason this thread can't be about Springsteen. He sucks, and always has.

Might I ask which Springsteen albums you've been listening to?  Born To Run?  Nebraska?  Darkness On The Edge Of Town?  We Shall Overcome: The Seeger Sessions?  If not, you should hold your tongue a bit.
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« Reply #48 on: 13 May 2007, 20:42 »

I didn't catch that the first time. I must have some kind of mental filter to block out crazy talk.
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« Reply #49 on: 13 May 2007, 20:59 »

I don't know the names of any of the albums I've heard, but I'm pretty sure I've heard them all, and they are horrible. I can't get past his terrible voice. I just hate him, a lot. Is there something I'm missing? Because I'm pretty sure there isn't.
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