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[Thrillho]

Fender humbuckers, even the standards, are pretty damn spiffy, yup.

[imapiratearg]

What do you guys think would happen if you took the Fender Wide Range Humbuckers out of a Custom Tele and slapped them on a Les Paul?  Would it create a super-massive black hole?

[Thrillho]

It'd create a handjob of music, I think.

[E. Spaceman]

I dunno, but if you put them in a Jazzmaster you get a Jazzblaster

[Ballard]

I'm trying to figure out whether or not that's a good thing.

[greenMonkey]

How about a Jizzblaster?

[Spluff]

Oh man, who was the idiot who named that one.

[Patrick]

The SG is infamously one of the least versatile guitars ever built

Fucking truth. Fenders, on the other hand, can do anything you want them to. Just because Gibson prices > Fender prices doesn't mean Gibson sound > Fender sound.

[Spluff]

SGs can do metal, rock, blues. That's about all I want out of a guitar.

[Patrick]

But they don't go "noodlynoodly noodly noodle noodly neeeeeeeeeeeeeee" when I want them to. All I get is "BWONGGGGGGGGG" and "CHUG CHUGGA CHUG CHUGGA CHUG" and "BWEEEEEEEE BWEE BWAAAAAAAAAAAH BWAAA BWAAA" all the time.

[Lummer]

And because of that you sell it?!

I don't get it. I just don't get it. When I had mine, I got some pretty nice clean tones from it.

[Patrick]

Well, I will admit, there are a lot of clean tones I can get out of that sucker that are to die for. But I just can't be toting 7 guitars around all the time. I'm giving away my old Les Paul copy, and I'm stripping another guitar down for parts (the one my uncle built, lost interest in, and shoved off on me).

And if I sell it, I have an excuse ready for my mother, who insists I "save money for college". I'm not going to college anyway, and I've said this for three years straight, but she just doesn't get it that I'm serious.

[Lummer]

Well, you and I are quite different beasts then. I'm just like MOAR GEETARS all the time. I just got my Melody Maker yesterday, btw. It rocks.

[valley_parade]

Where the fuck are you, stimulus check. It was supposedly mailed out like a week ago!

I'm starting to second guess. I've got four guitars I'm trying to decide on, now.

-Squier Classic Vibe Telecaster (the favorite)
-Squier Classic Vibe Duo-Sonic
-Dillion Les Paul Jr. clone
-Dano '63

[Thrillho]

Well, you and I are quite different beasts then. I'm just like MOAR GEETARS all the time. I just got my Melody Maker yesterday, btw. It rocks.

I took that attitude until I realised I'm going to uni in september and I can't take them all with me.

[carrotosaurus]

Get the Dano!

[valley_parade]

I went one step better and am bidding on a U2 reissue on ebay. Even if the check doesn't come, the price right now is enough where I could cover it with what's laying around in my checking account.

[Tehz]

...whoa.

[sean]

Jesus Shane that thing is beautiful.

Also guitar thread, I am betraying the guitar gods and am getting a cello sometime within the next week. It will be amazing.

[imapiratearg]

Nice!

[valley_parade]

Jesus Shane that thing is beautiful.

Yeah, but it hasn't hit reserve yet. I'm at $91 right now.

[Thrillho]

Jesus Shane that thing is beautiful.

Also guitar thread, I am betraying the guitar gods and am getting a cello sometime within the next week. It will be amazing.

Cellos are fucking greatness.

[sean]

So yeah, uh, I lied. I got it today. Here is a picture, which includes my foot for some reason.



It's awesome in every possible way.

Also, I've discovered that a bowed bass guitar gives a fucking awesome tone.

[squawk]

FUCK YEAH SHANE
WE CAN START A BAND OF PRETTY MATCHING GUITARS
o/

edit: FUCK YEAH SEAN WE HAVE THE SAME SHOES
edit2: hey shane you're getting it from the same guy i got mine from!

[BaneAtvar]

Got my Xotic RC Booster couple days ago.

Should have seen the faces of the sound techs during soundcheck yesterday.

T'was something along the lines of:

"Alright, let's check solo volume!!"
"*click* TWAAAAANGGG!"

I could have sworn I saw their nose hairs curl. I have found my true love, but no one wants to be around me when I'm using it at it's full potential. It's a great way to explore the headroom of the amplifier, and when you are talking about a Pro Reverb, 70W Class A tube amp, it's just madness.


Also, telecasters are fukkin rokk, and are super versatile. See Jim Campilongo vs Radiohead vs Slipknot (yeah, I know, EMG's, blahblah)

[imapiratearg]

edit: FUCK YEAH SEAN WE HAVE THE SAME SHOES

I used to have a pair of Chucks like that, too, but they were too small for me and I gave them to my then-girlfriend!

[Mars]

But they don't go "noodlynoodly noodly noodle noodly neeeeeeeeeeeeeee" when I want them to. All I get is "BWONGGGGGGGGG" and "CHUG CHUGGA CHUG CHUGGA CHUG" and "BWEEEEEEEE BWEE BWAAAAAAAAAAAH BWAAA BWAAA" all the time.

Tell that to Angus Young.

[imapiratearg]

What?

[Mars]

Angus Young of AC/DC. Pretty much exclusively plays an SG and regularly makes it go noodly noodly whatever.

[imapiratearg]

Noodly noodly?  Dude, Angus Young's SG makes tons of "BEEEWWWWWW DUN DAH BIDDLY DIDDILY BUH NUH WOOOOOO."  It's make of rokk.  This is a profound comment, coming from me.

[Mars]

I'm not sure I see the distinction between your onomatopoeia and Patrick's onomatopoeia.

OMG BIG WORD!

[MadassAlex]

I'm not sure about you, but I'm getting one hell of a lot of versatility out of my SG. All I have is anecdotal evidence, but I'm fairly convinced that if you're getting poor versatility from an SG, you're probably utilising it incorrectly. If anything, I think the depth (or lack thereof) of the body helps achieve more of the extremities in tone, taking the guitar to levels of rokk not otherwise achieved. See: Tony Iommi. And Frank Zappa. Best SG guitarists evar.

You would probably be correct in saying that Teles are more versatile, but that doesn't make the SG lacking in versatility. And in any case, I'll take Gibson any day - I find Fender's bolt-on necks awkward and have a preference for humbuckers. Whether Gibson > Fender or Fender > Gibson is entirely irrelevant for me due to this.
 

[valley_parade]

edit3: shane got outbid and it went higher than he could afford right now

 

edit: I now have high bid on another Dano (a dark red '56 RI from '98). GO GO eBAY!

[Lummer]

If anything, I think the depth (or lack thereof) of the body helps achieve more of the extremities in tone, taking the guitar to levels of rokk not otherwise achieved. 
 

There might be some truth to this. My Melody Maker is probably a bit thinner than an SG, but it's hella responsive to my playing. Put short, it's awesome.

[Patrick]

Well, you and I are quite different beasts then. I'm just like MOAR GEETARS all the time.

Oh, no, I'm the same way, believe me. I just have a mother who nags me all the fucking time about going to college, which I never plan on doing. If I had a choice, I'd just buy the Jag and say "Fuck it" and keep the SG, because it's still pretty damn useful for some stuff. It's got this vicious growl if I turn the gain up just a little (about halfway on my Marshall) and that is perfect for face-crushing "I AM FUCKING ANGRY" minor-key stuff.

[FireAarro]

"Alright, let's check solo volume!!"
"*click* TWAAAAANGGG!"

fixd

What do you guys think would happen if you took the Fender Wide Range Humbuckers out of a Custom Tele and slapped them on a Les Paul?  Would it create a super-massive black hole?

They don't even make the real WRHBs anymore... the new ones are pretty much the same as Les Paul pickups, designwise.

[Nodaisho]

My previous post was pretty much just trash-talking teles, the real reason he is probably going to get lead is he is better with improv than I am, where as I am much better technically than him, I think that is because when he plays, he frequently just noodles around, where as I am always practicing songs, unless I am doing some other practice my teacher told me to do. I accept that Teles are versatile, but they are also fugly, and I would rather play a guitar that sounds good and looks good rather than just sounds good.

I disagree that SGs aren't versatile, they can play Down/CoC/Crowbar, they can play Iron Maiden (I think it was Dave Murray that has an SG tuned to drop D, heavily customized, of course, but that goes for his strat as well), they can play blues, they can play Beatles (Harrison used an SG on occasion). They have separate volume and tone, so it seems like you could go from heavy crunch to a beautiful clean tone very quickly.

[Thrillho]

I accept that Teles are versatile, but they are also fugly, and I would rather play a guitar that sounds good and looks good rather than just sounds good.

I will rip off your dick and make you wear it as a bow tie.

[Nodaisho]

No you won't.

[himynameisjulien]

Here's something that might as well create a black hole. Swapping the single coils on a Hodad (2 pairs of 2 wired as 'buckers) for a set of Seymour-Duncan Rails. (Humbucker + humbucker) wired as a humbucker = what would happen?

[Ballard]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hfEMnx-Nz-w&feature=related

[Patrick]

I disagree that SGs aren't versatile, they can play Down/CoC/Crowbar, they can play Iron Maiden (I think it was Dave Murray that has an SG tuned to drop D, heavily customized, of course, but that goes for his strat as well), they can play blues, they can play Beatles (Harrison used an SG on occasion). They have separate volume and tone, so it seems like you could go from heavy crunch to a beautiful clean tone very quickly.

That's damning praise if I ever saw it. All of the above examples are just proof that the SG is useless for anything but overdriven rock. Even the Beatles used overdrive.

Now if you were to say "The Ergs" you'd have punk on your side (the dude uses a modded version of the exact same model as my SG), but even then, the guy from WIZO used a Strat, among countless others, so punk is neutral territory. My hero Brett Mason (Nashville session player) uses a modded vintage Tele. Nels Cline from Wilco uses a Jazzmaster like Moses used his staff to part the waters, and holy fuck, can I get a Buddy Holly? You said yourself, that one dude from Maiden also used a Strat. In fact, all of the dudes from Maiden use modded Strats at various points. Hendrix? Fender whore. Buddy Guy? Fender whore. Yngwie Malmsteen? Fender whore. All those dudes from Cake? Fender whores. Stephen Malkmus? Jags, Jazzes, and Strats. Jimmy Page used a Telecaster all over the place, Eric Clapton's Strats are infamous, and oh yeah, those dudes Stevie Ray Vaugan and David Gilmour play(ed) Strats. Then there's that dude from the Strokes, the dude from the Ventures, and Dick Dale. They play Fenders. The Beach Boys? Jazzmasters and Jags as far as the eye can see.

Yeah, the SG is versatile, man, it plays like 4 whole subgenres and branches of rock!

[jeph]

All this talk about one guitar being more versatile than the other is pretty ridiculous. You can get tons of different sounds out of almost ANY guitar if you use it right.

A large part (not the entirety, but certainly a significant chunk) of Fender's historical legacy is due to the overwhelming number of Strats and Teles they produced and their relatively low price as compared to Gibsons.

[Spluff]

Now if you were to say "The Ergs" you'd have punk on your side (the dude uses a modded version of the exact same model as my SG), but even then, the guy from WIZO used a Strat, among countless others, so punk is neutral territory. My hero Brett Mason (Nashville session player) uses a modded vintage Tele. Nels Cline from Wilco uses a Jazzmaster like Moses used his staff to part the waters, and holy fuck, can I get a Buddy Holly? You said yourself, that one dude from Maiden also used a Strat. In fact, all of the dudes from Maiden use modded Strats at various points. Hendrix? Fender whore. Buddy Guy? Fender whore. Yngwie Malmsteen? Fender whore. All those dudes from Cake? Fender whores. Stephen Malkmus? Jags, Jazzes, and Strats. Jimmy Page used a Telecaster all over the place, Eric Clapton's Strats are infamous, and oh yeah, those dudes Stevie Ray Vaugan and David Gilmour play(ed) Strats. Then there's that dude from the Strokes, the dude from the Ventures, and Dick Dale. They play Fenders. The Beach Boys? Jazzmasters and Jags as far as the eye can see.

You'll find Hendrix also used Gibson. Eric Clapton used an SG for his work with cream. Maiden use everything, ever. Of course Buddy Guy and Vaughan used strats, they play blues. Jimmy Page used a Les Paul for everything except for the first album.

Those others, in my opinion, aren't a convincing case at all for why Fender is better than Gibson.

[Mars]

Man, jeph came in and said exactly what I was going to say. And now I don't want to say it because I don't want to look like some kinda 'I agree with Jeph' fanboy.

But really, this whole discussion of Fenders and SGs and what's more versatile is pretty inane. A good guitarist will get awesome sounds out of any guitar. It's true that different types of hardware and woods will get different tones, but that doesn't necessarily make one type of guitar inherently better than the other.

Fender is to Gibson as Chevrloet is to Ford.

I prefer to stay away from Fender precisely because that's what every other guitarist on the planet plays. I like to be different.

[Patrick]

It's not that I can't make my SG produce a sound that -fits- for any specific genre, it's just that the sounds it makes aren't what I want. So you guys can stop with this disguised version of "You're just not good enough for a Gibson". I can play a Gibson just fucking fine. But just because you are physically capable of playing "Johnny B. Goode" note for note doesn't mean you want to force the main riff into every song you write for the rest of your life.

I will concede that my dick-wagging list of examples was irrelevant (although I'd like you to note, Jeph, that none of those people who used those instruments were exactly scraping boots for pennies to buy their gear with).

[Ballard]

Or: you guys could quit your stop your dick measuring contest (which I kind of started, heh) and concede that Gibsons and Fenders are two different kinds of guitars, popularly used in different but often overlapping genres and that comparing them is like comparing apples and oranges.

For argument's sake, Pat, practically everyone who used/popularized the Jaguar/Jazzmaster originally did so out of necessity. Jags and Jazzmasters sold poorly to their intended demographic, the jazz player. Thanks to the reduced price, they were quickly picked up and adapted for use by broke ass rock bands including but not limited to Talking Heads, Television, Dinosaur Jr., and Elvis Costello.

JM: Well, Slimy Bob ripped me off--Slimy Bob's Guitar Ripoff Shop. He was just this weird guy. He had a gun and mace in his store and he'd mace his employees for fun. Just start laughing. You could tell all his stuff was stolen. He'd have these ads that were all fake, like "Strat: $400." The bait and switch thing. So i painted this house and got about $500, and I went down there. I wanted to buy a Strat. I just wanted it to write songs on; I was still playing drums at the time. And of course Slimy Bob didn't have and kind of decent Strat for under $500. But he had a jaguar for $200 and a Jazzmaster for $300. The Jazzmaster has a beat-up neck, which I liked. It had no finish on it. And it had Grover tuning pegs, which I always admired from Peter Frampton and Humble Pie records. So I spent the extra hundred and bought the Jazzmaster. And it's the one I still play--my first guitar.

[Patrick]

Fuck you, Eugene, apples are CLEARLY GODDAMN SUPERIOR

[imapiratearg]

For argument's sake, Pat, practically everyone who used/popularized the Jaguar/Jazzmaster originally did so out of necessity. Jags and Jazzmasters sold poorly to their intended demographic, the jazz player. Thanks to the reduced price, they were quickly picked up and adapted for use by broke ass rock bands including but not limited to Talking Heads, Television, Dinosaur Jr., and Elvis Costello.

Heh, all the jazz players bought ES-335s.

[Thrillho]

But just because you are physically capable of playing "Johnny B. Goode" note for note doesn't mean you want to force the main riff into every song you write for the rest of your life.

Funnily enough, Chuck Berry did just that.