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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #50 on: 14 Jun 2007, 16:33 »

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Altough it has been kinda damaged  :-(, it is still quite a sincere song depicting the foundation.. and whatnot.

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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #51 on: 14 Jun 2007, 16:40 »

i agree with everything khar has said thus far and you all should have stopped talking after his first post. he basically covered it.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #52 on: 14 Jun 2007, 17:02 »

Not really punk, but I like Suicidal Tendencies sometimes.

Not nearly as much as I like Infectious Grooves, though.  Those skits are classic.

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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #53 on: 14 Jun 2007, 17:26 »

i agree with everything khar has said thus far and you all should have stopped talking after his first post. he basically covered it.

Would you like to jack him off now?  Or perhaps just a submissive squeal of admiration will do.  Way to totally suck up without even being discreet about it.
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Where I come from, we usually just shorten that to "yee-haw!"

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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #54 on: 14 Jun 2007, 17:33 »

The foundation of Punk is having this image in your head at all times: a shirtless Iggy Pop fist fighting Lester Bangs while Lou Reed, the ostensible referee of this bout, nods off in the corner with the condom he used to tie off still stuck around his arm.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #55 on: 14 Jun 2007, 18:18 »

Would you like to jack him off now?  Or perhaps just a submissive squeal of admiration will do.  Way to totally suck up without even being discreet about it.

A simple, discreet rimjob would be fine.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #56 on: 14 Jun 2007, 18:59 »

You used the term 'folk-punk' and failed to mention New Model Army? FOR SHAME. FOR SHAME.

That is a fair bit of an oversight, they're pretty bloody influential. But I also missed out melodic hardcore, which is one of my favourite things ever.

Melodic Hardcore - Kid Dynamite, Fig 4.0, Imbalance, The Dauntless Elite... This stuff basically does what it says on the tin. Catchy songs you can dance to.

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Ever heard their first record? It's a hardcore album. I'm not too familiar with the rest of their career (since the little I have heard didn't grab me) but Institutionalized and I Shot The Devil have been hardcore standards since they were first released. There really isn't any even vaguely good argument for that album not being punk.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #57 on: 14 Jun 2007, 19:35 »

How would Social Distortion fit in here?  Apparently, Mike Ness is one bad ass dude.  :|
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #58 on: 14 Jun 2007, 20:32 »

Would you like to jack him off now?  Or perhaps just a submissive squeal of admiration will do.  Way to totally suck up without even being discreet about it.

A simple, discreet rimjob would be fine.

I mean, if you're into that, I guess.  Really, it's between you two, though.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #59 on: 14 Jun 2007, 21:26 »

The Promise Ring

He's gonna be confused if he picks up Wood/Water first.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #60 on: 14 Jun 2007, 22:23 »

If what you're looking to do is introduce a new person to Punk, there are several more modern variations you can use as kind of a feeder to get them to understand the older bands, and these are:

-Street Punk
-Ska Punk
-Punk Rock/ Pop Punk

 A few examples of each include:

Street Punk- The Briefs, Anti Flag, The Bastards
Ska Punk- Less Than Jake, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Rancid, some older No Doubt
Punk Rock/Pop Punk- Sum 41, Bowling for Soup, Green Day


Once you've got them hooked, you can stop worrying so much about genre restrictions and go all out.  At the next stage, you may still want some mainstream recognition, but you don't have to worry about as mainstream a sound any more, so some bands I would recommend:

Bad Religion, Pennywise, Flogging Molly, Millencollin, Offspring, Sublime, etc.
Oh God, this part made me want to cry. This is like a correction they publish in the paper when people fuck up with someone's obituary or something:

Ska-Punk: MU330, The Chinkees, The Toasters, Planet Smashers, KING APPARATUS, The Johnstones.
Pop-punk/"Contemporary Punk": Descendents, The Methadones, Alkaline Trio, The Riverdales, The Broadways, The Lawrence Arms, Teenage Bottlerocket, Screaching Weasel, later Jawbreaker, Hot Water Music.
Dance/Noise-punk: Les Savy Fav, Drive Like Jehu, Q and not U, The Jesus Lizard.
Alt-punk/Awesomeness: Jawbox, Shellac, Rye Coalition, McLusky, Pitchfork, Shiner, Unwound, Burning Airlines, The Honor System.
Blank-core: The Bronx, Blood Brothers, early Thrice, Small Brown Bike.
80's punk: Cramps, The Dwarves, Misfits, The Jam, 7 Seconds.

EDIT: Also, am I the only lady commenting in this thread??

I leave on this note: Dudes! Pop-punk can be great! Don't follow the lameness of mainstream media's interpretation of one of my favourite genres!
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #61 on: 14 Jun 2007, 23:08 »



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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #62 on: 14 Jun 2007, 23:39 »

Why would he be a hologram?  :? :oops: :cry:
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #63 on: 15 Jun 2007, 01:48 »

A ctrl+f of this thread did not show any mention of Jawbreaker.

I feel as if I needed to change that.



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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #64 on: 15 Jun 2007, 04:11 »

I'd also like to mention the ever increasing genre of synthpunk and electropunk.
Bands like The Epoxies, Error, The Faint and Sex Positions.
Pretty much all using synthesizers and so on to add to the punk sound. The Epoxies and The Faint tend to be more poppy. Error is more or less similar to glitchcore but a bit more melodic and structured (I realise that essentially cancels the glitchcore comparison). Sex Positions is essentially hardcore punk with sampled effects and modified vocals.

Someone earlier mentioned "discore". I believe they were referring to was D-beat. Bands inspired by Discharge who attempt to mimic their signature drumbeat and have similar styles and themes. I wouldn't write this whole genre off, there's plenty of awesome D-beat bands. I'd recommend Discharge, Disfear, Diskonto and Skitsystem.

Then you've got the whole field of Crust punk/crust hardcore bands that were mentioned. Generally they're very distorted and highly political. A lot of older crust bands were squatters but a lot of modern bands are just regular punks who are heavily political and into crust. I would recommend crust hardcore bands: Tragedy, From Ashes Rise, His Hero Is Gone, Asschapel and Schifosi. What differentiates these sort of bands from others is the fact that they're all intensely melodic but also very heavy. Most of them have an obvious punk and thrash influence.
Here's some links
http://www.myspace.com/fromashesrise
http://www.myspace.com/schifosi 
 http://www.myspace.com/asschapel (Seem to have gone much more thrash...)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_beat


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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #65 on: 15 Jun 2007, 07:25 »

Oops. I'm always doing that, when see the word d-beat I think of the drumbeat and forget it's what the genre's actually called. Also, totally seconded on Error.

I completely forgot to mention riot grrl. Now that's a hell of an oversight, Heavens To Betsy, Bikini Kill and Huggy Bear are all essential punk bands.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #66 on: 15 Jun 2007, 07:47 »

Here are a few more that I'm not quite sure of:

The Bouncing Souls
Agnostic Front
Good Riddance
Black Flag
No Use for a Name

I second the Alkaline Trio.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #67 on: 15 Jun 2007, 08:43 »

Operation Ivy is so bad.  Fuck them.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #68 on: 15 Jun 2007, 08:58 »

ARMY OF BABYLON
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ARMY OF BABYLON
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....this gives me an idea for a Clap Your Hands Say Yeah cover band who dress up like 30s gangsters.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #69 on: 15 Jun 2007, 09:16 »

So . . . how many bands and genres have been suggested up to this point? In my mind, I now call this thread "Operation: bankrupt Soidanae."
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #70 on: 17 Jun 2007, 10:57 »

Rasufelle, you are dead wrong. There is no path to understanding punk music which runs less than 20 miles away from Green Day. I'm just glad you didn't mention A New Found Glory.

I've seen Rye Coalition live. They were alright.

I seem to like Alkaline Trio's newer stuff (Good Mourning, Crimson) more. Is this wrong?

I would also like to mention that I saw Television live yesterday. I think everyone in the crowd, myself included, nearly came when Tom started playing Venus. Marquee Moon was equally amazing.

That is all.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #71 on: 17 Jun 2007, 11:24 »

I can't believe the thread has gone this long without mentioning The Runaways.

Also: Bratmobile.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #72 on: 17 Jun 2007, 13:56 »

I would also like to mention that I saw Television live yesterday. I think everyone in the crowd, myself included, nearly came when Tom started playing Venus. Marquee Moon was equally amazing.
I genuinely forgot they were alive.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #73 on: 17 Jun 2007, 15:49 »

They've been out of the public eye for a while. Yesterday was supposed to be Richard Lloyd's last performance with the rest of the band but he came down with pneumonia and wasn't there.

Tom Verlaine looks pretty good. 'Scuse the heads; the SummerStage space was packed like a sardine can.

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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #74 on: 17 Jun 2007, 16:10 »

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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #75 on: 17 Jun 2007, 16:59 »

Why would anyone listen to Suicidal Tendencies when Municipal Waste does the same thing about a billion times better?
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #76 on: 17 Jun 2007, 20:05 »

I've seen Rye Coalition live. They were alright.

I seem to like Alkaline Trio's newer stuff (Good Mourning, Crimson) more. Is this wrong?
Very wrong. So wrong that you're the wrongest man in wrong town. I saw Rye Coalition when I was 17, I think. I had a great time.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #77 on: 18 Jun 2007, 00:12 »

I think now is a great time to mention The Exploding Hearts.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #78 on: 18 Jun 2007, 00:26 »

If this thread was about power pop, then you would be right!
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #79 on: 18 Jun 2007, 20:48 »

I've always thought of them as a very successful combination of punk and powerpop.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #80 on: 19 Jun 2007, 13:24 »

oh man, i knew there was another one

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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #81 on: 19 Jun 2007, 13:30 »

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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #82 on: 23 Jun 2007, 22:50 »

I am a big fan of the early punk leading ladies.  Namely Siouxsie Sioux (from Siouxsie and the Banshees), Poly Styrene (Xray Spex), and Ari Up (The Slits).  I have this thing about awesome girl singers.
I saw the Slits earlier this year when they came to Australia, it was pretty great ^_^

Also, props to whoever it was who mentioned the Gun Club, I was afraid I was going to have to do it.
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Re: Foundation of Punk
« Reply #83 on: 05 Aug 2007, 00:11 »

The "foundation" of punk is going to be tricky to give but, some of the posts have done a pretty good job.  If you want to you can trace it back as far as the 60s with bands like MC5 and The Velvet Underground.  Then the Stooges.  I suppose you should listen to the Ramones just because.  Fuck the Sex Pistols because they were a sham.  The Clash were pretty fucking great until Combat Rock.  The Dead Kennedy's rocked harder than almost any punk band of the time.  Some of Bad Religion's stuff was alright but, not much lately.  Fugazi is essential listening because of their broad influence on modern independent music. 

A bunch of people are talking about NOFX and bullshit like that.  Well, all I can say is fuck NOFX and, fuck Pennywise too while you're at it.  There's no point in listening to that shit.  I'm not sure what you can possibly get out of it unless you're 13. (If you're 13 you can like these bands)  Somebody mentioned Refused, who were around during part of NOFX's and Pennywise's lifetimes but didn't make shitty music. 
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