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« on: 20 Jun 2007, 09:31 »

Who's excited for this? I'm actually considering getting the executive version with all the extra stuff. They're one of those bands that I don't get tired of listening to. At all. I can't count how many times I've listened to all three albums straight through.

Also, I'd like to say that I totally win.

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Re: The New Pornographers - Challengers
« Reply #1 on: 20 Jun 2007, 15:29 »

Who's excited for this?

Not me especially. I'm one of those rare "indie" music appreciators who isn't head-over-heels in love with the New Pornographers. I mean, I bought the Electric Version, and sure, it's okay, but . . . ehh.
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« Reply #2 on: 20 Jun 2007, 15:47 »

Challengers is really growing on me. I've forbidden myself from listening to it anymore until it comes out though. I wasn't quite sure at first, but the more I listen to it the more I like this new direction, and there are still a few trademark Pornographers hooks in there. Mutiny, I promise is a fantastic song.
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« Reply #3 on: 20 Jun 2007, 16:22 »

There are 3 really great songs on this record, and a lot of OK ones.

All The OId Show Stoppers, Challengers, and Myriad HArbor, for the record.
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« Reply #4 on: 20 Jun 2007, 16:28 »

It's grown on me, I like it more every time I listen to it. It's not quite the same, but it's not necessarily a bad direction for them.
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Re: The New Pornographers - Challengers
« Reply #5 on: 20 Jun 2007, 16:50 »

Haven't listened to it yet.  Not planning on downloading the leak.  May buy the executive fancy crazy version though.
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Re: The New Pornographers - Challengers
« Reply #6 on: 20 Jun 2007, 19:38 »

Do you have the first album?

No, I got Electric Version because that's the one everyone seems to rave about. I've thought about buying their first album, but to be honest, "maybe this one will be better" is not a very strong motivator when there's so much other music out there.
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« Reply #7 on: 20 Jun 2007, 19:40 »

Electric Version seems to be the one the least people rave about.  I haven't seen many people claim it as their favourite, at least not in comparison to the other two anyhow.  Having said that, it is my favourite that they've put out.
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« Reply #8 on: 20 Jun 2007, 19:58 »

Electric Version seems to be the one the least people rave about.  I haven't seen many people claim it as their favourite, at least not in comparison to the other two anyhow.  Having said that, it is my favourite that they've put out.

Actually Electric Version is my favorite New Pornos album too.  From Blown Speakers or The Laws Have Changed are probably my favorite songs by them.

Challengers is pretty cool, i've only listned to it through once so far but I like what i've heard, I predict it will grow on me in good ways with repeated listenes.
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« Reply #9 on: 20 Jun 2007, 21:12 »

Electric Version is my favorite as well.

I haven't downloaded the leak. I usually do, but not this time. Crazy box set thingy for me.
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Re: The New Pornographers - Challengers
« Reply #10 on: 20 Jun 2007, 21:23 »

Electric Version is by far the weakest, in my opinion. It has one excellent track (the laws have changed) and one good one (from blown speakers) but other than that it is prwetty weak. Twin Cinema is my favourite I think.
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« Reply #11 on: 20 Jun 2007, 23:03 »

Twin Cinema wasn't really consistant enough. There were maybe four awesome tracks that I really really liked. This would have been great if the ones in between were average or actually fit in with the awesome ones. I dunno, maybe I need to give it another listen. I'd still catch them live if it was under $30.
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« Reply #12 on: 20 Jun 2007, 23:16 »

Still Mass Romantic for me.

Twin Cinema is pretty great. From "Use It" to "Stacked Crooked" is a solid block of brilliant songwriting. "Streets Of Fire" is also probably one of my favourite songs from 2005 in retrospect.
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« Reply #13 on: 21 Jun 2007, 09:08 »

Ok, I've just listened to Twin Cinema maybe four times today. It's pretty good.
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« Reply #14 on: 22 Jun 2007, 17:16 »

fuck the new pornographers for focussing on songcraft at the expense of high energy
i mean, sure I like The Bleeding Heart Show and These are the Fables
But I didn't want to listen to a whole album of songs like that.

bring back the AC Newman who would rewrite and edit songs until the lyrics made no sense and you never had to wait more than seven bars for a new hook
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Re: The New Pornographers - Challengers
« Reply #15 on: 22 Jun 2007, 17:27 »

"i took a plane, i took a train"
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Re: The New Pornographers - Challengers
« Reply #16 on: 22 Jun 2007, 18:15 »

I'm waiting....I am usually the first to get all over a leak but I am waiting, WAITING.

Am I the only one that tends to favour the Dan Bejar songs on each album? Testament to Youth In Verse is my favourite NP's song...and I'm really excited to read that he's contributed three tracks to Challengers.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here though and say that AS AN ALBUM I think Twin Cinema is my favourite. Really. I like the slow/fast song dynamic. (Like I said, I love Bejar....so I am probably the only person who liked Streets of Fire. Sigh.)
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« Reply #17 on: 22 Jun 2007, 20:04 »

I've only heard "Electric Version", and I enjoy it very much, so I suppose I should probably check out the other albums?

Worth seeing live?
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« Reply #18 on: 22 Jun 2007, 20:42 »

Felix, if Neko Case is singing, definitely yes.  It's one thing to bid for her underclothes but seeing her live . . . man that's something else entirely.

Still Mass Romantic for me.

Twin Cinema is pretty great. From "Use It" to "Stacked Crooked" is a solid block of brilliant songwriting. "Streets Of Fire" is also probably one of my favourite songs from 2005 in retrospect.

Agreed.  Letter From An Occupant is a fine, fine song, as is the title track.
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« Reply #19 on: 23 Jun 2007, 08:45 »

You can't go wrong with a New Pornos record, even if from what you people are saying it's a change in direction. I tend to think this is a good thing. For what it's worth, I think Twin Cinema is my favorite, if only because the Bejar songs are so fucking good. 'Jackie, Dressed In Cobras' and 'Streets of Fire' are addictive power-pop so good they outdo all the AC Newman tracks, aside from maybe 'Sing Me Spanish Techno.'
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Re: The New Pornographers - Challengers
« Reply #20 on: 23 Jun 2007, 08:50 »

"Use It."
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« Reply #21 on: 23 Jun 2007, 11:41 »

 I've actually only listened to Twin Cinema. I enjoyed the hell of it for a month or two then never played it again.. I suppose I'll check out Challengers.
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« Reply #22 on: 23 Jun 2007, 16:02 »

I could go look it up, but what's the deal with this Super Executive Model shit you guys keep talking about??
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« Reply #23 on: 23 Jun 2007, 18:23 »

I'm of the opinion that Electric Version, while it doesn't maybe have quite the standouts of the other two, is the most consistent of the three. I don't think there are any songs on it that I just don't like much, as opposed to Mass Romantic (Center for Holy Wars) and Twin Cinema (Falling Through Your Clothes). Also Chump Change is one of my very favorite NP songs.

Does the new album still have Bejar on it? Everything I've read seemed to indicate that he was trying to disassociate himself from the NPs, but I hope this is not the case.
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« Reply #24 on: 23 Jun 2007, 21:13 »

I could go look it up, but what's the deal with this Super Executive Model shit you guys keep talking about??

Read about it here.
Buy it here.

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Challengers: Executive Edition (list price $19.98)
*Full Album Stream
Listen to all of Challengers months ahead of release

*The Challengers Box-Set
A very limited edition Treasury of New Pornography available only to Executive members. Includes three bonus discs, designed in a deluxe box set package.

    Disc One: B-Sides, Demos and Alternate Mixes
    Disc Two: The New Pornographers "Live From The Future"
    Disc Three: Videos, photos and artwork

(note: you will download all of this bonus material digitally as part of Buy Early Get Now and burn 3 CD-R discs yourself, so some-assembly is required and some of these recordings haven't even happened yet.)

*Advance notice and exclusive ticket buy links for upcoming New Pornographers tours

Basically, You Get It All

The Executive Edition is for the completists because every b-side, every demo, every alternate mix, every video, and every photo associated with the release of 'Challengers' will eventually be made available for download. Sure, this will take time for us to get the goods to you, but certainly less time than you hunting around for it yourself.
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« Reply #25 on: 24 Jun 2007, 08:32 »

I'm going to say something that's going to start a fight: the New Pornographers aren't the sort of band I really care about collecting all their shit. I love them, but I don't really care about their b-sides or outtakes, particularly for a record I've not yet heard. I imagine that in person they are a stunningly great band, but do I think I want a live CD of their's?? As for pictures and videos...meh.

That said, 'Graceland' is a really god damn good b-side and I can't believe it was left off The Electric Version.
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« Reply #26 on: 24 Jun 2007, 09:39 »

Especially since it would have been the best song on the record barring perhaps "The Laws Have Changed."
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« Reply #27 on: 24 Jun 2007, 11:43 »

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Re: The New Pornographers - Challengers
« Reply #28 on: 24 Jun 2007, 17:23 »

Apparently you didn't see the first time I mentioned Chump Change, so here it is again: CHUMP CHANGE.

Seriously though, does anyone know if Bejar is on Challengers at all? Writing? Singing? Both? I MUST KNOW. Johnny, you are an overall cool dude who also likes Destroyer, you must have this information.
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« Reply #29 on: 24 Jun 2007, 17:33 »

20 seconds with google says Dan Bejar wrote 3 songs on the new album and sings on it.
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« Reply #30 on: 24 Jun 2007, 17:56 »

Uh. Thanks for saving me that 20 seconds.
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« Reply #31 on: 24 Jun 2007, 23:27 »

I have kept deliberately away from all info on this record save for its release date, so I wouldn't have been able to help you anyways.

It is one of the records I am most excited for this year.
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« Reply #32 on: 25 Jun 2007, 08:18 »

I am especially excited now that I've finally heard Belle and Sebastian's The Life Pursuit. I got it from the library thinking "yeah, OK, another B+S album" but it is so fucking good I might even call it their best album. Well, best in the new style of B+S albums.
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« Reply #33 on: 25 Jun 2007, 08:30 »

I had that on my Shit To Download Eventually list on eMusic for like 8 months and I just finally actually got it yesterday, so I'm glad to see your glowing recommendation.

I am also really eagerly awaiting Challengers. Hopefully it turns up on eMusic promptly after its release.
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« Reply #34 on: 25 Jun 2007, 09:06 »

Oh man The Life Pursuit is so awesome.

Last night I had a dream that Challengers was an EP and not a full album, and for some reason this was enough to make the dream a nightmare.
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« Reply #35 on: 25 Jun 2007, 09:10 »

While I'm very excited for 'Challengers' I'm sure I won't be listening to it a lot. For me, The New Pornographers are good in small doses. I often can't even get through a full album in one sitting. Not sure why, I just get a bit tired of their music after half an  hour or so of straight listening. That being said, when I do listen to them in those short spurts I rather enjoy what I hear. In other words, I'm expecting to find this new album nice but nothing astonishing.
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« Reply #36 on: 25 Jun 2007, 12:28 »

They are kind of like sugar, or candy, or some kind of sugar-honey-candy. Too much at a time can be dangerous. Still, I've found their albums have good staying power even after the initial binge ends. Also they are some of the few albums I actually like to put on shuffle.
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« Reply #37 on: 25 Jun 2007, 12:59 »

I listened to Challengers a few times this weekend, so I deleted it off my computer so I don't burn out on it before it is actually released. But I really like it.
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« Reply #38 on: 25 Jun 2007, 13:51 »

If I had a webcomic of my own, I would do a strip wherein the New Pornographers are launched into space to promote their new album, only the spaceship they're on blows up a few thousand feet in the air, thus fulfilling the curse of the titular space shuttle.
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« Reply #39 on: 25 Jun 2007, 16:22 »

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« Reply #40 on: 25 Jun 2007, 20:06 »

Khar, what have you been drinking/smoking?
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« Reply #41 on: 25 Jun 2007, 20:12 »

He was not drunk, he was inebriated.
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« Reply #42 on: 25 Jun 2007, 20:17 »

Like one good vibrations?  He must be listening to the newly leaked Okkervil River! 
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« Reply #43 on: 25 Jun 2007, 20:41 »

In other news, I listened to the entire New Pornographers discography today without pausing.

I think I want to find a candy-coated chocolate bunny right now. And kill it with my bare hands.
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« Reply #44 on: 25 Jun 2007, 21:10 »

In other other news, I just listened to 'Challengers' and for various reasons that I am far too tired to go into, I think it's their best album yet. This makes me happy.
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« Reply #45 on: 25 Jun 2007, 21:49 »

In other other news, I just listened to 'Challengers' and for various reasons that I am far too tired to go into, I think it's their best album yet. This makes me happy.

This makes me very happy also screw you because I'm trying really hard not to listen to the leak and you are not helping.
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« Reply #46 on: 18 Oct 2007, 03:31 »

Electric Version seems to be the one the least people rave about.  I haven't seen many people claim it as their favourite, at least not in comparison to the other two anyhow.  Having said that, it is my favourite that they've put out.

Althogh this discussion is old it is my favourite Kurt Dahle's drumming is really good on Electric Version!
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« Reply #47 on: 18 Oct 2007, 05:41 »

There are 3 really great songs on this record, and a lot of OK ones.

All The OId Show Stoppers, Challengers, and Myriad HArbor, for the record.

Go Places, dude.

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« Reply #48 on: 18 Oct 2007, 08:30 »

Forgot about this thread.

I was really (REALLY) disappointed with Challengers. I did end up waiting til the release date like I said I would, trucked myself down to the music shop, got it on glorious compact disc (ha) and sat myself down to listen. So so whelmed. Not overwhelmed like I wanted to be, like I thought I would be. Not underwhelmed, either; the tail end of the album picked things up a little. Just.....whelmed.

I really do think "Entering White Cecilia" is a great song, and it reassured me; for even BEJAR to turn out three disappointments would've wrecked me a little. Everything after it is pretty good: "Go Places" has a great vocal track from Neko, "Mutiny, I Promise You" actually has a bit of energy to it unlike most of the album, I liked the call-and-answer sort of style to the singing in "Adventures in Solitude", and then "The Spirit of Giving" is mediocre Bejar back to round it all up.

This album has its defenders, but I think the general reaction is telling. Any NPs release will get the usual crowd of people championing Mass Romantic, which IS an incredible record....and a few Electric Version fans here and there, with the release of these last two.....but do you remember when Twin Cinema came out? The critics shat all over themseves, the fans shat all over themselves, and it was something that was talked about. Because despite having quieter tracks (unlike the full-out no-respite sugar-rush first two albums) it was still A VERY GOOD RECORD. And people cared. Noticed much response to Challengers?

It isn't a terrible album. But it's a disappointment because it's boring. And after claiming this band as 'my all-time favourite' for most of high school....it bums me out.



I only listened it through once when I first got it; I've been through the last 5 tracks a few times since then.......but I am listening to it again now that I've written negatively about it. I might issue a redaction. I probably won't.
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« Reply #49 on: 19 Oct 2007, 02:54 »

One of the best records of the year
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