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[Mobius_Logic]

The concert of a lifetime is coming.
6 Years early.
Slint is coming and its 21 and over : (

[imapiratearg]

Sneak in?  Get a fake ID?  Buy your way in?  Say you have a terminal illness and Slint is your favorite band in the whole world, and you want to see them before you die so you can die happy?

[KharBevNor]

Sucks tyo  be you! l=isteb to better music!

[Emaline]

Somebody's drunk.



Anyway, sneak in. It isn't that hard. Really.

[Lexington, 125]

The concert of a lifetime is coming.
6 Years early.
Slint is coming and its 21 and over : (

In 6 yrs Slint your Spiderland cd will be collecting dust 

[Lazer]

Yeah, moreover they're probably just gonna do the thing where they stamp you if you don't have your ID so you can't buy drinks.

[MadassAlex]

You're just like me! Except I missed out on Blind Guardian! The only time they ever came to Australia! It was pretty shitty, especially when some of my friends gloated the way they did! One of them can afford to fly to Wacken each year, too! Asshole! Excep metalheads don't cry! So I was all like:

FLAMING HATRED OF THE NIGHTSLAYER'S EMBRACE
LENDING ME UNTO A THOUSAND SWORDS
INTO THE NIGHT I RIDE UNHINDERED BY THE ARROWS OF MY FOES
ALL THAT I HAVE LEFT IS MY AMBITION

!!!

[kablaaamo]

This is what you do:

1) Go with older friends, if possible, thereby being older by association and minimizing potential questioning. (Also, this is a good idea because going to shows with friends of any variety is good times.)
2) Go to the venue about 10 mins after they say doors open, having already bought tickets. The doorfolk will be swamped and will probably sweep you, and everyone else, in as quickly as possible to keep the folk in line happy and moving.
3) Bring a big black marker, and even if the venue's policy really ISN'T to let in any minors, beg them to let you in but with dignity. Explain as forcefully and as eloquently as possible that you just might die if you can't see Slint and thus they should let you in to avoid being liable for your demise. THEN, after promising that you won't sneak a drink, conveniently produce your black marker so they can x you up to reinforce that idea.

The first two steps have always worked for me, and I've had the black marker for the third but have never needed it.

Then again, I also had a fake id....and the age of majority here is 19....and I've looked about 23 since I was 15..........


Basically, good luck. If you are not a jerk and you don't sneak a drink it will all probably work out for you. One thing I don't suggest is sneaking in. I can't speak personally, but I have witnessed incidents...bouncers don't take kindly to that, and that could get you banned from the venue for varying lengths of time. So yeah.

[BrittanyMarie]

Yeah dudes, he's(you are a he, right?) a 15 year boy. 15 year old boys do not look like 21+ boys and thus it would be pointless to try to sneak in. It sucks but it's happened to all of us if it makes you feel any better!

Also, where the hell are all you guys from? Anytime I go to a 21+ event, the bouncer is all *stare intently at ID* *stare intently at me* *stare intently at ID* and only then can I go in.

[Gryff]

Two words: false beard.

[E. Spaceman]

Two words: Ninja Kit.

[Jackie Blue]

BrittanyMarie is right.  There's no way in Hell you're sneaking in or faking your way in.  If it were an 18+ show you could MAYBE get by, but if it's 21+ then it is most likely 21+ because you live in one of those states (assuming you're in the US) where venues get major major shit for letting anyone under 21 into a show where alcohol is served.

It's okay though, because pretty soon you'll figure out that Spiderland isn't actually all that great, and you'd be better off listening to the Slint spinoff bands The For Carnation and Papa M, or something current like Mono.

[Emaline]

Man, sneaking in is hella easy. There's a club here that has no air conditioning, so in the summer, the leave their back doors open. Since it's a small venue(It's one room, with walls put up for a bathroom, and a band room), bands are constantly running in and out of these doors. All you have to do is walk in the door. It's as easy as that.


Some other venues that I've snuck into for 21+ shows, I just walked in with a few older people, like kablammoo suggested. Most bouncers don't care.

For later shows, become friends with the bouncers. It isn't that hard.


Or you can do for what I did for an Islands show. Work on the same street that the club is that the bands are playing at. Wait for them to lock their instrument in their car. Offer to either call the police, or to let them use your cell phone to call themselves. Converse with them while waiting for the police.  Get into show for free for being so awesome. Enjoy beer with band.



I'm 19. I was 15-18 when I did all this stuff. It's really not that hard to sneak into a show.

[McTaggart]

Around here the one club that has a back door is a gay club and it's the sort of discrete entrance. There are bouncers there too, but that's besides the point because it's not a music venue.

[Jackie Blue]

Some other venues that I've snuck into for 21+ shows, I just walked in with a few older people, like kablammoo suggested. Most bouncers don't care.

I've seen shows all over the country, and even to this day (I'm 32) my ID is scrutinized as though I were trying to sneak across the Berlin wall.  I have never once seen anyone use the "I forgot my ID" excuse and have it worked.  And none of the venues I've seen bands in have had back doors that weren't guarded heavily.

Where do you live?  Wherever it is, I think it's by far the exception rather than the rule.

You are a crazy person. 'Spiderland', for all the joking we do, is still one of the greatest albums ever made.

I fully admit that I was of this opinion for, oh, about 9 years.  Having obtained what I consider to be a much wider perspective on music (by sheer virtue of number of bands/albums I ended up hearing) I honestly came to the conclusion that, aside from "Washer" and "Good Morning Captain", it's merely a pretty good album.

As for reference points for it?  Two words: Prog.  Metal.  Listen to "Nosferatu Man" and try to deny it.

[MadassAlex]

As for reference points for it?  Two words: Prog.  Metal.  Listen to "Nosferatu Man" and try to deny it.

A-fuckin-men man.

Symphony X, Dream Theater, good starting points. Rush and King Crimson are earlier prog favourites.

[RyanT]

It all really depends on what the club is like, but I think that most of the stories here with suggestions on how to sneak in are pretty rare exceptions.  The thing is, if the club is predominantly a bar (or doesn't have a main room AND THEN a bar in a little side room), they're legally not allowed to let you in.  One of my good friends from high school who's been studying jazz out in LA came back here and played a gig, but since it was in a bar and I'm only 20 (yes, 20), I couldn't get in.  I've even been invited to sit in jazz gigs with professional jazz players and I wasn't allowed in the club because I wasn't 21. 

I can offer two pieces of realistic advice.
1)  Contact the club and ask if people under 21 might be able to come in if their hands are x'ed out.  If the answer is no,
2)  Ask if people under 21 are able to come with their parent or guardian. 

I know it might seem lame to go to a show with your mom or dad, but it's better than not seeing one of your favorite bands, right?  I know I've been to a jazz club in Chicago a few times that's 21+ because I went with my Dad.  But in all reality, if the answer to both of those questions is no, you're just out of luck.  I know it sucks, but there's not much you can do (beside trying to sneak in).  The thing to remember, though, is that it's often a legal issue and not so much the club's decision.

[Inlander]

Around here the one club that has a back door is a gay club

HAH!

[Caspian]

one thing that can work is rock up really, really early. I did this for the Dillinger Escape Plan. I got there about two hours early, and they weren't checking for ID. Then, when they where like "We should probably get everyone outside and check them" I just went to the toilet for a good amount of time. Worked a treat, though waiting for so long was a pain.

[schimmy]

It's strange how lax things are here compared to what you lot have experienced. The first gig I went to (aside from Hear'say, but I'd rather not go into that) was Anti-Flag on my 13th birthday. The age-limit was 16 (I have no idea why) and, despite definitely not looking it, me and my friend, who was the same age as me, got in without a second look from the bouncers.
I'm 15 now, and a few weeks ago I went to see Modest Mouse at the Ritz, which is 18+. Again, I do not look close to 18 yet, and again I, and my friend who looks younger than me, got in without a problem.
Come to think of it, I think most gigs I've been to are 18+. I guess the law is just more relaxed here.
Either that, or I'm just so goddamn awesome that clubs are willing to put up with legal problems just to have me in.

[TheFuriousWombat]

You'd be better off listening to something current like Mono.

Mono=one of the greatest post rock bands ever. Ever.

[ScrambledGregs]

You know guys like 9 years ago I thought that the Beatles album Revolver was the greatest thing ever, but now that I've listened to more music and my taste has broadened, I think it's boring. I mean, just go listen to 60s pop and rock music.

[Ernest]

You know, I was just thinking how much greater this thread would be if Gregs came in here and started a fight.  I'm going to have to jump in on his side, too.   

[Johnny C]

Around here the one club that has a back door is a gay club

*snicker*

[Valrus]

This is the best smiley I have ever seen.

[Mobius_Logic]

Hmmm...  Kablamo might be on to something cause when I dont shave I look way older. This 17 year old girl tried to get me to buy her a drink at the Decemberists. oh boy. good times.

Not that I enjoy having trailer park mustache but I think slint is worth it.

The only problem is that seattle is full of hard asses! Boo. Anyways thanks for all your guys suggestions, it has given me hope.

[RyanT]

I would still call first.  Just check and see, 'cause it might be a lot easier than you think to get in, whether x'ed out or with a parent.  But if they say no to those, then go about any of the other ways everybody's said, because they won't know who you are just because of a phone call.  Good luck with everything.

[Jackie Blue]

On 'Spiderland' they sound like...Slint. We have had a lot of bands afterwards that sound like Slint but pre-'Spiderland' there's nothing like it. It's the first album I would name if you asked me for an example of an original sound.

I'd say that the Liars and TV On the Radio are every bit as unique, if not moreso.  Listening to Return to Cookie Mountain, I can't even place it in a genre.  It's not rock, it's not industrial, it's not R&B, though it has those elements to it.  Spiderland, on the other hand, I can identify as definitely being a rock album, even if it is unique within that genre.

I mean, if you're going to argue this from a canonical standpoint, I won't disagree that it had an impact.  But I don't listen to music or like albums because of their place in the canon; I listen to things that I think sound good.

In that regard, I stand by my statement that Spiderland is merely a pretty good album with two great songs on it.  I would say the exact same thing about Loveless, incidentally.

[Jackie Blue]

You know guys like 9 years ago I thought that the Beatles album Revolver was the greatest thing ever, but now that I've listened to more music and my taste has broadened, I think it's boring.

When I was 12, I thought Def Leppard and Guns-n-Roses were the best bands in the world.

When I listened to more music, I came to realize they were not nearly as good as I thought.

Listening to music is contextual.  It is possible to like something only because you don't realize that there are better things out there.

You can't argue taste.  I thought Slint was great for a long time, probably until maybe three years ago.  Then one day I realized I hadn't actually listened to Spiderland in years and, when I did, I thought "Eh, I don't actually really like this as much as I used to."  I just got bored and wanted to put something else on.

Before you say that it's just a case of album burnout, bear in mind I've listened to many albums for longer than Spiderland and still think they're great.  I've owned Labradford's Mi Media Naranja nearly as long as I've owned Spiderland and certainly listened to it literally hundreds of times more often, but I still think it's one of the best albums of all time.  I've had the first Velvet Underground even longer than either of those.

[Felix_]

Save your time and money.
Slint is overrated.

Or do the fake beard thing, I think that's a pretty good idea.

[Jackie Blue]

Well, tommy, you're certainly doing a good job of pulling together statements I've made on less-obscure bands into one post that makes me look like I'm much more of a fan of mainstream music than I am.  The fact is, those are just the bands that have been discussed.

I think I probably like more far-out weirdo music than most people on here, I just also happen to like everything else, too.  Most of my favorite bands don't ever get mentioned on here.

As to your statement that there's nothing better than Spiderland, again, it's taste.  I most certainly can and will argue that Mono is better.  And I definitely think that the self-titled The For Carnation album is far superior, while remaining similar, to Spiderland.  "Emp. Man's Blues", "A Tribute To", "Snoother", "Tales (Live From the Crypt)", "Moonbeams" - well, I just named all but one song on the album, didn't I?

I'd be very interested to hear why you don't think The For Carnation album is at least as good as Spiderland.

[KharBevNor]

Tommy stop being a ficking cunt slint is so much loads of shit

[Hat]

SHUT UP.

EVERYBODY SHUT UP AND JUST LISTEN TO ANDROMEDA FOR FUCKS SAKE.

DO IT

[KharBevNor]

nol

[Emaline]

Some other venues that I've snuck into for 21+ shows, I just walked in with a few older people, like kablammoo suggested. Most bouncers don't care.

I've seen shows all over the country, and even to this day (I'm 32) my ID is scrutinized as though I were trying to sneak across the Berlin wall.  I have never once seen anyone use the "I forgot my ID" excuse and have it worked.  And none of the venues I've seen bands in have had back doors that weren't guarded heavily.

Where do you live?  Wherever it is, I think it's by far the exception rather than the rule.

This has happened while I was in Ohio, Missouri, and Illinois. The venue with the back doors is in St. Louis, MO. It's not like some big venue. I mean some somewhat famous bands have played there(Of Montreal, Tilly And The Wall, and The Faint, to name a few.), but they still left the back doors wide open. They maybe have 8 people working there a night, and that include sound, doors, and the bar. I don't really think they have anybody to break up fights or anything. It's a pretty shitty club, but they get decent shows.

[öde]

Sue them for age discrimination.

[Ernest]

Tommy stop being a ficking cunt slint is so much loads of shit

Would I be inviting your normal practiced rant about indie music ("it's got nothing to say about anything etc.") if I asked why?  I'm not sure why you don't like it.  I have to admit, a lot of times I listen to an album thinking, "Would Khar like this?"  It doesn't affect whether or not I like the album, but it's fun to ponder.

[Ernest]

I took your advice and discovered that he has in fact not spoken at length about Slint.  The most I could find was from one of the old Forced Listening threads when he reviewed "Good Morning, Captain."  He complained about it being too quiet and too long.  Not very specific, but I supposed mildly satisfactory.

[Jackie Blue]

See, this is something we have touched upon before recently. You seem very anxious to be seen as an appreciator of obscure music. It's a curious position. I am not trying to defame you at all, that was two artists chosen at random. ScrambledGregs, Kai or Jeph posted that they like the Smashing Pumpkins too. All three of them have indisputably good taste in music as far as I'm concerned. Why should it be embarrassing to like the Smashing Pumpkins? Or Marilyn Manson. Or Bruce Springsteen?

Actually it's that I want to be placed in proper context.  You seemed to be making an assertion that the fact that I said positive things about early Smashing Pumpkins and Marilyn Manson rendered my opinion of Spiderland somehow less valid, which I don't agree with or even actually understand.

And I made it clear in the MM thread that I don't really "like" Marilyn Manson enough to buy his albums or listen to them, but that I do think he's interesting to discuss.

Why'd you bring up Bruce Springsteen?  Everyone loves The Boss now.  Even hipsters have jumped on the retro-Bruce bandwagon.  He's the new Johnny Cash in that regard.

[KharBevNor]

I think Bruce Springsteen sounds like a much less fun version of Meatloaf, but that's just me.

I don't often get hangovers, actually. I was right as a fiddle this morning, though I did get up at 11:30.

I can't even remember what Slint sound like. I know I have given them an examination at some point in the past and decided they are not worth pursuing. Using the most damning tones possible for that is just my idea of a little joke, sure to incite outrage, as it has.

[0bsessions]

In regards to the original topic: you're pretty much fucked.

No bouncer in the US who values their job is gonna let a fifteen year old guy slide into a 21+ show. You'll see it happen occasionally with chicks 'cause it is a little harder to judge specifically in that age bracket (Plus, a lot of bouncers seem to just skip carding women as a rule), but it's really hard to mix up a 21+ guy with a 15 year old. Honestly, growing facial hair's an even bigger tip-off as a lot of teenagers grow shoddy, ugly facial hair early just for the sake of avoiding getting carded for shit. No matter what "awesome tricks" people feed you, they're only going to work .001% of the time, and there's probably an extenuating circumstance that they didn't notice. Guys cannot sneak into shows underage. That's life.

The best advice was already given: call the venue, see if you can get in with a parent. If the band's that important to you, you'll fucking sack up and drag an adult with you to see them. Otherwise, reside yourself to the fact you'll see 'em when you can legally drink.

[KharBevNor]

Okay, I found that Slint track I reviewed and gave it another listen. Its really dull (manages to miss hypnotic with its repetitive rhythm, and has no real sense of going anywhere) and the production, particularly the drums, is absolutely hateful. Apart from that not so bad I suppose. There are a few nice bits of guitar in there. Not a band, as I previously decided, I would waste much time on though.

[Johnny C]

I think Bruce Springsteen sounds like a much less fun version of Meatloaf, but that's just me.

At least you acknowledge that they sound the same. Meat Loaf is Springsteen with feather boas and motorcycles instead of gravitas and an understanding of blue-collar America. My kid brother loves Meat Loaf but refuses to acknowledge that they sound similar.

And just so we all remember who was first, Springsteen released two records in 1973 and a third, Born To Run, in '75. Bat Out Of Hell, Meat Loaf's debut, was released in '77. I have this argument about who came first on a weekly basis with my brother, who proceeds to refer to this part as my opinion when it is clearly fact.

[Jackie Blue]

There's also the fact that Bruce Springsteen fucking rocks and Meat Loaf is a goddamned talentless hack.

Sorry, I'm a bit drunk and just watched the Springsteen reunion DVD last night with some friends.

But seriously, I will never understand why anyone likes Meat Loaf.  It is a mystery.

[KharBevNor]

Because he sings well and Jim Steinman writes good songs for him? I dunno. He's alright. Better than Springsteen, but lets not have this argument because it induces people to be irrational because Springsteen just KNOWS HOW THEY FEEL MAN.

[Jackie Blue]

...

You just said that Meat Loaf is better than Bruce Springsteen.

I'm going to just assume you're still drunk from last night or haven't been properly exposed to Springsteen.  Christ, watch the "redone" version of "Born in the USA" or something and get back to me.   

[KharBevNor]

I've been through this a few times. As I've said, to me, Springsteen just sounds like a serious version of Meat Loaf with a slightly less polished voice. Therefore, sucky. And trust me, I've heard as much Springsteen as I want to.

[öde]

Meatloaf is a hilarious dude. Terrible music though.

[kablaaamo]

This is why I love Meatloaf.


Anyhow....yes. What Obsessions said is pretty much true....when I posted, you did not say what gender you were, and I didn't want to presume. Dudes have a much harder time of it, which is quite unfair. But there it is.

[Jackie Blue]

As is the opinion of someone who might make an observation based on your opinions.

Surely.  But without a broad spectrum of my opinions, one cannot form much of an opinion about my opinions.

I really don't think that me making statements about Smashing Pumpkins has anything to do with my statements about Slint.  They're completely different kinds of bands.  That's like saying that my opinion on a Thai restaurant is tainted by my opinion about a pizza place.

It's not like I dislike, or haven't listened to much, post-rock.  But I have plenty of affection for the genre Slint worked to create and have listened to a lot of bands in said genre, and as such, I think my opinion on Slint has weight, even if you disagree with it.