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Re: Rage Music
« Reply #50 on: 23 Sep 2007, 12:05 »

Merzbow is music for every occasion.


Especially birthday parties.
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but the music sucks because the keyboards don't have the cold/mechanical sound they had but a wannabe techno sound that it's pathetic for Rammstein standars.

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Re: Rage Music
« Reply #51 on: 24 Sep 2007, 10:51 »

Yeah, where did he go?

Someone in this thread mentioned Slipknot and Linkin Park for shit's sake.

C'mon, Slipknot is all about rage...
and if you read it all, you'd know I said about 6 years ago I listened to Linkin Park.... I was 12 six years ago, who did YOU listen to 6 years ago??

Don't dog my choices.

Are you gunna do anything about the so-called forum problem, or bitch and moan?  Cuz I find that more gets done in general when people bitch and moan by themselves. in the dark. where no one can hear them.
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Re: Rage Music
« Reply #52 on: 24 Sep 2007, 11:39 »

I don't think he was disputing that they have a certain preoccupation with rage, more that they were any good. Although they do have their moments (although for those to work I always find you have to consider them in the context of top 40 pop music rather than heavy music in general) is their 'old men do teenage angst poetry' lyrical content fit to stand alongside other bands that have been mentioned in this thread like Black Flag, Shellac, Merzbow and Ion Dissonance?

On the other hand, they're at least better than Burzum. Really, what the hell is the appeal of bad crust recorded through a sock by a dumb Nazi?
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Re: Rage Music
« Reply #53 on: 24 Sep 2007, 13:53 »

Meshuggah, they are pretty rageful, especally on humanity/existence

E.G since I'm listening to it:

The Mouth Licking What You've Bled

I'm The Shallow, The Superficial.
I'm The Common Man.
Faithless, Narrow Minded, Indifferent, Impassive.
A Sycophantic Leech.
Tantamount To Disintegrity.
I'm The Vulture Feeding On Malignancy.

I'm The Sin,
The Lecherous Sneering At Prostration.
I Wallow In Disease.
I Rejoice At Degradation.
I Yawn At Misery.
Spit At Others Happiness.
An Advocate Of Manipulation.
I Embrace The Sickening.

I'm The Lost.
I'm Average.
I'm Common.
I'm Infection.
I'm Human.
I'm Common
A Worm Thriving In Seas Of Disgust.
I'm Common.
The Mouth Licking What You've Bled.
I'm Common

I'm The Pampered Degenerate.
I Indulge My Inclinations
The Only Words To My Attention Are Those That I My Self Create
Disorder.
Chaos.

I Debar All Order,
Repudiate All Purity.
Infatuated By Contentment.
I Laugh At Lies.
Come Behold The Sickness In My Common Human Eyes.

I'm The Greed.
The Cynic.
I'm The Indifferent Gaze.
Mendacity, Betrayal;
This Is Not A Phase
Ebullient With Human Filth, Here I Am.
Here I Stay.
Flourishing In Our Disgrace.
Blessed Be The Human Way.

Maybe not, whatever, perhaps dead kennedys?

 Black Flag, I think they have been mentioned like, 12 times though



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Re: Rage Music
« Reply #54 on: 24 Sep 2007, 18:23 »

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Re: Rage Music
« Reply #55 on: 25 Sep 2007, 01:22 »

Really, what the hell is the appeal of bad crust recorded through a sock by a dumb Nazi?

I have no idea what the appeal of that would be. Fortunately, that is not an accurate description of Burzum. Maybe if Varg's entire musical output had been the song 'War'. Even then, that song is pretty bad-ass.

THIS IS....WAR! UGH!

But I mean, seriously, Slipknot ain't that good. I won't dog on them too much, because there are certain aspects of their operation I respect: I like how Corey Taylor and Joey Jordison didn't kick all their friends out the band, despite the fact that at least three or four of them are completely superfluous and they must seriously dilute the performance royalty checks. The fact that they are some friends who like making music is great. Jordison at least is actually a pretty talented multi-instrumentalist. The problem, really, is that their music is monotonous, purile and utterly humourless.

The first suggestion I always make to any Slipknot fan is Acid Bath. Apart from the fact that Slipknot almost certainly ripped them off, they have a few other major advantages, including interesting music, much better lyrics (though still mainly about rage and angst and whatnot) and a much better spread of talent (as in, they're all good musicians, not just one of them). They also split up because of a tragic death, so doubleplus rockpoints.

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Re: Rage Music
« Reply #56 on: 25 Sep 2007, 06:25 »

Acid Bath are also great fun. Just saying.
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Re: Rage Music
« Reply #57 on: 25 Sep 2007, 06:43 »

Converge and Slayer - for different types of rage, obviously.  Occasionally I'll throw on Dillinger Escape Plan's Calculating Infinity, but that's mostly for nostalgic reasons.
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Re: Rage Music
« Reply #58 on: 25 Sep 2007, 06:54 »

I have no idea what the appeal of that would be. Fortunately, that is not an accurate description of Burzum. Maybe if Varg's entire musical output had been the song 'War'. Even then, that song is pretty bad-ass.

THIS IS....WAR! UGH!


Okay, you got me. Bad crust with some tiresome metal thrown in, and a guy who sounds like he just stubbed his toe wailing over the top.
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Re: Rage Music
« Reply #59 on: 25 Sep 2007, 08:50 »

That...still doesn't actually describe Burzum.

Sorry sir, but your opinions and judgments are wrong!
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Re: Rage Music
« Reply #60 on: 25 Sep 2007, 09:19 »

I would take your input on board, but you described War as "bad-ass" instead of correctly as "even more laughable than the rest of that record (which is saying something)".

A friend of mine once got in deep shit for wearing a Burzum patch on his bag twice in one week. More proof that Burzum will bring nothing good to your life.
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Re: Rage Music
« Reply #61 on: 25 Sep 2007, 09:59 »

I wore a Burzum shirt to art college yesterday. On the front it has this:



and on the back this:



It's unofficial, of course. I wouldn't actually support Varg Vikernes, as the man is undoubtedly an utter shit. He is, however, a shit who makes very good (and very influential, as an aside) music*. The first album's fun (and a lot better, incidentally, on vinyl), but there's a lot better material on Det Som Engang Var and Filosofem, and I also rather like the prison albums (the last two synth only works). I like Vargs almost deliberately contrarian approach to producing black metal, using all the wrong equipment, shockingly basic guitar work (on the first couple of albums anyway), and completely unstructured vocals. I really admire the fact that whereas most black metal vocalists use a more practiced and technical style of vocals (the dreaded cookie monster), Varg basically just screams till he wretches. He's also an obvious influence on pretty much all my other favourite BM bands: Horna, Judas Iscariot, Vlad Tepes, Wyrd, Xasthur, Abyssic Hate, Nortt, etc. Also, it doesn't sound anything like crust, except in terms of quality and simplicity.

But again, of course, I must re-iterate that he really is a cunt.


*Hell, Burzum is pretty much the reason I started to make music.
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Re: Rage Music
« Reply #62 on: 25 Sep 2007, 10:12 »

A huge, reprehensible prick.
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Re: Rage Music
« Reply #63 on: 25 Sep 2007, 10:12 »

That shirt's actually pretty great.

I must admit, the first album's the only one I'm really familiar with and on mp3 not vinyl. I've heard Filosofem and some mp3s of the synth stuff but I lost them all when my old computer died, and I don't remember too much except not thinking they were much cop. His vocals irk me not because they aren't technical in their approach but because they sound too much like someone whinging. When vocals are going over the top like that I want to hear rage, panic, imminent violence maybe. To me, Varh really does sound like he's stubbed his toe or watched his cat get run over. And it really does sound for the most part like sub-par crust punk to me. Also, the recording robs it of a lot of impact. I've never been one to expect perfect production and I love a lot of records with a lo-fi sound but with Burzum it just makes it sound weedy and a bit naff really.

Mind you, much like The Rolling Stones I can't deny he's influenced a lot of music I really like. I enjoy a bit of Xasthur myself, hell, I liked that record you posted up here a while back. So I guess the existence is of Burzum is a good thing (well, aside from all the stabbing).

Don't worry about having to call him a cunt while you're defending his music. I read TS Eliot and he's easily as big a bastard as Varg.
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