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mberan42:
I listened to Lifted... a whole lot when I was in college (going on 4.5 years ago now). Now I don't really care for Bright Eyes. Don't particularly dislike them, just got burnt out.

jimbunny:
I've no real opinion on Bright Eyes, but consider this (necessarily hypothetical) situation: there are in fact 'musical tastes' that are better than others, and perhaps one absolutely perfect taste (as well as one perfect lack of taste), the objective confirmation of which is inherently impossible. This provides us both with justification for debating and critique, knowing there is a scale, and some fucking humility, knowing that even if we were gods no one (not even ourselves) would ever know.

Actually, if we're going to talk about 'taste,' isn't that even harder (even more subjective) than talking about music itself? Aren't we talking about likes and dislikes? I suppose what we're actually talking about is the ability to distinguish levels of musical quality.

ThinWhiteDuke09:
You have to consider the immense effect of cocaine on the music of bright eyes and oberst's blatant references to it, for example in lua he says:

"You're looking skinny like a model with your eyes all painted black
Just keep going to the bathroom, always say you'll be right back
Well, it takes one to know one, kid, I think you've got it bad"

And so, having been through cocaine addiction or a cocaine come down, one is able to identify with Oberst's lyrics and it provides a sort of comforting effect.  Now that Oberst has quit doing blow, I find his lyrics to be less poetic and touching whereas musically the songs have progressed a lot.  In any case, I was not as much a fan of the newer album though he does touch on panic attacks, a definate reference to the long term psychological effect of cocaine use.

Spinless:
thanks for clearing that up Duke, it explains a lot of the things that you touched upon in that last post.

my experience with music fans has been somewhat lacking, but when I am deciding whether or not to judge people based exclusively on whether or not they like bright eyes, I do also have to take into account their attitude towards music.

after all, most bright eyes fans are 14 yearold american school girls who don't know what cocaine looks like. they can't appreciate his music because they haven't lived it. those casual fans will just never enjoy the music as much as a person who has had a cocaine addiction, because a person who has lived it reaches a whole new level of understanding with bright eye's music.

personally, I started enjoying the music a lot more after I'd lost all my friends, family, money and self esteem to a crippling coke addiction. I'm better now, and the scars are starting to fade, I came out of the whole experience with a huge appreciation for the music of Conor Oberst.

next time I'll tell you all about the time I had to live as a gay rent boy in london to feed my heroin addiction and suddenly developed a huge appreciation for the music of Baby Shambles.

SeanBateman:

--- Quote from: valley_parade on 19 Sep 2007, 09:11 ---Cos Bright Eyes fucking suck, man.


Had to be said. I did like the video where they were getting bottles of beer thrown at them though!

--- End quote ---


Bright eyes is awesome, and you are dumb.

I could go into a whole kantian rant here about you guys just finding the music agreeable or disagreeable and trying to make a judgement of taste from a position of bias, which invalidates the whole argument because beauty can only be perceived or experienced when we aren't tied to the object by any predisposition in it's favor, but I won't.

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