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Statik:
@ Anyways : I didnt work for apple, I worked for Best Buy and then Circuit City (Best Buy as a company is better to work for, benefits wise, but I was far happier as a warehouse employee @ CC)
@ Spinless : I do apologize for misreading your name

As far as bass response, I would agree that the digital EQ sucks in the iPod, granted, I have never hooked mine up to a stereo, as I didn't buy the iPod for such a thing (could get into a whole argument on how MP3 is pretty shitty for an audiophile), I use the standard headphones that came with it, because on the occasions that I happen to be listening to it, Im either listening to it quietly, or while walking around (or in my car on my crappy car speakers).  When I want to listen to music, I put CDs into my nice stereo.

I do feel thats kind of beyond the point though, if you are looking for a (and Ill add the emphasis) MP3 PLAYER and making arguments about how a MP3 PLAYER is terrible for your audiophile ears... well, I think theres other issues that you have to contend with.  Digital Audio is lossy by its very nature.  Audio, in its true form, is analog... MP3s are super compressed audio files, and while there is other audio codecs which arent as lossy, MP3 became the dominant format.  Yes, there is better ones, yes we could get into a whole argument about which is better and why, but again, if you are an audiophile buying a MP3 player, you arent going to like ANYTHING put in front of you.

Ballard:
I think the iPod and lossy audio files aren't the only problem here.

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/weekly_article/imperfect-sound-forever.htm

Fantastic read and touches on a lot of what this thread is about.

est:
I am not an audiophile by a longshot, I just know what I like. 

What I am saying is that I have an iPod Nano and a Walkman Phone.  The Walkman Phone sounds better through any set of headphones I care to use on them, be they the stock-standard earbuds, a pair of crappy headphones, a pair of good Sennheiser canalphones, or a pair of Sennheiser HD280s, and the Walkman phone only has like, 4 EQ settings.  The point is that the Walkman phone has a Bass boost feature that doesn't distort the hell out of the sound.  That is pretty much the only difference!  If the iPod had this feature I would prefer it.  It doesn't, so I am stuck using a phone as a music device and trying to base future phone purchases on whether or not they are Sony Walkman phones, which is very restricting.

Gilbert:
after reading this thread and that article i can't help but to question what myself, and many are others losing from listening to music in a format purely because it's convenient, available and pretty much free . i love my music. i own a few turntables and have a large vinyl collection that i cherish dearly and listen to it whenever i get the chance, but due to working and commuting, i rely on the most convenient format, being mp3s on my phone. i kind of get the feeling that i'm being priced out of hearing music in the way it should be just because i can't afford good headphones or to have the time to indulge myself in the almost decent equipment i found on the side of the road(council clean-ups rock). and that sucks! i guess i just feel slightly robbed of the experience. sorry for taking this slightly off topic from the original post. i just find this interesting and annoying

Ballard:
Well, the reverse side of that article is that the guy who wrote it is a total snob and you must not take him too seriously. After reading it, I could hardly listen to my iPod or music on my computer for a month. It nearly ruined the experience for me.

Admit, though, that you would never have noticed most of the shit he brings up were it not pointed out to you. MP3 is not this disgusting, inferior beast of a format. It's far more convenient than lugging a turntable around, and the human mind fills up the empty space created by lossy audio formats enough for it not to bother most people, even those with great ears.

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