Topic: Least rare album you own. (Read 30210 times)

The Viz · « **Reply #50 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 12:46 »

Quote from: Misconception on 04 Dec 2007, 12:27

Quote from: el_loco_avs on 04 Dec 2007, 02:45
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide

I do not own a single album off of this list. Is that good or bad?

Neither really. Popularity has nothing to do with quality. Though if you don't have Dark Side of the Moon in some form, then you're missing out, it's probably the only perfect album ever recorded (except for Abbey Road). Sgt. Pepper's is a good album too, though it always bugs me that it's the album that gets recognition out of everything the Beatles made, when several of their albums were much better. The rest of the albums on that list (the 30 Million + one) range from shit to only slightly above average, though, not counting compilations (which don't count).

el_loco_avs · « **Reply #51 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 14:48 »

Quote from: Misconception on 04 Dec 2007, 12:27

Quote from: el_loco_avs on 04 Dec 2007, 02:45
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_albums_worldwide

I do not own a single album off of this list. Is that good or bad?

Some bad.

LOTS of good.

It's all subjective anyway.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #52 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 15:13 »

Quote from: Misconception on 04 Dec 2007, 12:27

I do not own a single album off of this list. Is that good or bad?

R.E.M. - Automatic for the People

At a quick glance, there are maybe a dozen or so "really great" albums on those lists, and maybe a dozen more "pretty good, should be listened to for historical context at least".

Joseph · « **Reply #53 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 15:19 »

The one on the list that you most need is Abbey Road. Parallel Lines, and Dark Side of the Moon you should also own.

Houdinimachine · « **Reply #54 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 15:20 »

I don't have Thriller. I DO have Beatles One though which is very ubiquitous.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #55 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 15:31 »

Quote from: The Viz on 04 Dec 2007, 12:46

Popularity has nothing to do with quality.

Not really true. Something which is "good" for what it's doing will always be popular. Godspeed You! Black Emperor is probably the "most popular" post-rock band, and they are very high quality for what they're doing.

Same with shitty pop music. Sure, you may not like it, but for fans of shitty pop, clearly albums which sell so many copies are doing something for somebody.

In conclusion:

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Don't be a hipster snob.

De_El · « **Reply #56 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 15:47 »

Quote from: that big ole list on wikipedia

Albums to have sold at least 15 million copies
Kenny G. - Breathless

Heh. Eheh. Bwahahahaahahahaha. So I didn't actually know Kenny G. was that popular. What I did know is that Brain of Pinky and the Brain once tried to "jam the frequencies of every radio station with nothing but Kenny G., Yanni, and the soulful spasms of John Tesh" and use it to "[expose the populace] to these flaccid tonalities [to] soften the cerebral tissue rendering the entire population our personal slaves!"

The Viz · « **Reply #57 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 17:05 »

Quote from: zerodrone on 04 Dec 2007, 15:31

Quote from: The Viz on 04 Dec 2007, 12:46
Popularity has nothing to do with quality.

Not really true. Something which is "good" for what it's doing will always be popular. Godspeed You! Black Emperor is probably the "most popular" post-rock band, and they are very high quality for what they're doing.

Same with shitty pop music. Sure, you may not like it, but for fans of shitty pop, clearly albums which sell so many copies are doing something for somebody.

In conclusion:

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Don't be a hipster snob.

Are you suggesting that Godspeed You! Black Emperor is a popular band? Because while they may be well-known among the scene, their lack of mainstream recognition prohibits them from being called "popular."

I'm not saying that popular = shit or that unknown = Jesuslike, I'm just saying that there are great bands both popular and unpopular and shitty bands both popular and unpopular. To pretend that all popular bands are terrible would imply that popularity is inversely related to quality, whereas I suggest there is no correlation. But no philosophonomics for now.

Automatic for the People was on that list? Damn, must've missed it. Also one of my favorites.

lprkn · « **Reply #58 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 17:28 »

Quote from: zerodrone on 04 Dec 2007, 12:03

Jagged Little Pill has sold as many copies as Sgt. Pepper's?

Holy mother of God, what hapenned, did Alanis give away free blowjobs with every copy?

Not really much of an incentive, in my opinion.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #59 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 17:29 »

Quote from: The Viz on 04 Dec 2007, 17:05

Are you suggesting that Godspeed You! Black Emperor is a popular band?

Yes, I am. Everyone who likes post-rock likes them, or has heard them, and even a whole lot of people who barely know what post-rock is have heard them. They're as popular as a band of their genre could possibly be.

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Because while they may be well-known among the scene, their lack of mainstream recognition prohibits them from being called "popular."

But that's the point, here. The "pop music scene" is bigger than the "post-rock scene" and therefore pop music sells more records. It doesn't mean that what you or I think of as "bad" popular music is "bad" because people don't buy albums unless they enjoy them, and if 50 million people enjoy an album, it can not logically be "bad" because those 50 million people think it's "good" and musical taste is not a science in which one can "prove" a band is good or not.

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I'm not saying that popular = shit or that unknown = Jesuslike, I'm just saying that there are great bands both popular and unpopular and shitty bands both popular and unpopular.

And I'm just saying that if a band sells 50 million albums, they are not "shitty" in any kind of objective way. Do I like The Eagles? No. But clearly they are doing something right for a lot of people. Would most people in America like Neutral Milk Hotel? Incredibly doubtful. Millions of people would listen to Neutral Milk Hotel and say "Wow, that is one shitty band."

I would not presume to tell them I'm right and they're wrong because my taste is somehow better than theirs.

Some people claim to genuinely enjoy the taste of brocolli. I can't fathom this, but I would not use it as evidence that they have defective or inferior taste buds.

Ballard · « **Reply #60 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 17:34 »

Actually, I've played Neutral Milk Hotel for a number of poster Hot Topic kids and they all loved it. It's just a matter of exposure in many cases.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #61 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 17:47 »

Sure, that figures into it. But I didn't say "play Neutral Milk Hotel for poster Hot Topic kids". Try playing Neutral Milk hotel to the millions of mainstream rap fans. Try playing them fans of 80s metal. Try playing them for 12 year old girls who listen to boy bands.

Basically what I'm saying is that "poster Hot Topic kid" isn't actually that far away in the Taste Spectrum from "poster indie kid".

Ballard · « **Reply #62 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 17:54 »

Touche.

Wayfaring Stranger · « **Reply #63 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 18:03 »

Quote from: zerodrone on 04 Dec 2007, 17:47

Basically what I'm saying is that "poster Hot Topic kid" isn't actually that far away in the Taste Spectrum from "poster indie kid".

I think the first often leads into the second.

muteKi · « **Reply #64 on:** 04 Dec 2007, 19:42 »

At home there are copies of Saturday Night Fever and Born in the USA

el_loco_avs · « **Reply #65 on:** 05 Dec 2007, 02:59 »

Quote from: lprkn on 04 Dec 2007, 17:28

Quote from: zerodrone on 04 Dec 2007, 12:03
Jagged Little Pill has sold as many copies as Sgt. Pepper's?

Holy mother of God, what hapenned, did Alanis give away free blowjobs with every copy?

Not really much of an incentive, in my opinion.

HEY Don't diss Alanis

Best selling album of the nineties after Shania Twain! (lol)
It had at least 4 or 5 hugely popular singles.
It's a pretty darn good pop album.

Shania Twain selling even more is a bit of a puzzle to me though. Best selling album of the nineties while released in 97?
Although... I just read something >_<

n the United States, male disk jockeys were able to obtain a customized copy of the song "That Don't Impress Me Much". The customized copy would replace the line "..okay, so you're Brad Pitt, that don't impress me much" with "..okay, so you're XXXX that don't impress me much" where XXXX is the disk jockey's name sung by Shania Twain. Often, radio stations played the customized and single versions in rotation

BRILLIANT!

Reno · « **Reply #66 on:** 05 Dec 2007, 03:09 »

Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road

camelpimp · « **Reply #67 on:** 05 Dec 2007, 06:49 »

Quote from: tommydski on 05 Dec 2007, 03:00

Quote from: zerodrone
if 50 million people enjoy an album, it can not logically be "bad" because those 50 million people think it's "good" and musical taste is not a science in which one can "prove" a band is good or not.

Behold the End of Subjectivity!

I can't accept a system that gives Aerosmith a higher score than Bikini Kill.

notnamed · « **Reply #68 on:** 05 Dec 2007, 07:23 »

I don't think I own any albums off of that best-selling list. But then again I own very few albums. I'd have to say the least rare album I own is Three Days Grace - Three Days Grace.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #69 on:** 05 Dec 2007, 07:54 »

Quote from: camelpimp on 05 Dec 2007, 06:49

I can't accept a system that gives Aerosmith a higher score than Bikini Kill.

And gives Jane's Addiction a lower score than Van Hagar.

yossarian07 · « **Reply #70 on:** 05 Dec 2007, 11:52 »

RHCP- Californication

SleeperCylon · « **Reply #71 on:** 05 Dec 2007, 13:01 »

Fleetwood Mac - Rumours.

Or, that didn't sell much out of the US, did it?

Then Thriller. Though it's hard for me to listen to it anymore because I have trouble separating the art from the artist in that case.

Poor Jacko. The sad thing is, that's probably how Suri Cruise and Britney Spears' baby will turn out, with the media following them around everywhere for their whole childhoods.

De_El · « **Reply #72 on:** 05 Dec 2007, 15:42 »

I have a number of issues with that system, but I am amused that Hole is indirectly equated with "textile workers union, clutch of junkies on the subway, Congress" in terms of musical correctness.

Vancroth · « **Reply #73 on:** 05 Dec 2007, 17:16 »

Since I don't own Thriller, I guess it's Dark Side of the Moon.

r2knee2 · « **Reply #74 on:** 05 Dec 2007, 17:18 »

Backstreet Boys- Millennium. I was a child during the 90s. And it was awesome.

CarpeNoctem · « **Reply #75 on:** 09 Dec 2007, 01:25 »

Dookie by Green Day.
I should be ashamed, but I'm not. They used to be great.
WAIT, I take that back. Stadium Arcadium. Californication would be more generic, but I don't own it.

Ballard · « **Reply #76 on:** 10 Dec 2007, 17:21 »

Quote from: r2knee2 on 05 Dec 2007, 17:18

Backstreet Boys- Millennium. I was a child during the 90s. And it was frightening.

RachelEvil · « **Reply #77 on:** 12 Dec 2007, 07:08 »

Madonna - Ray of Light

ASUDeadhead · « **Reply #78 on:** 12 Dec 2007, 07:29 »

Dark Side of the Moon and Bat Out of Hell

Johnny C · « **Reply #79 on:** 12 Dec 2007, 08:52 »

Quote from: zerodrone on 04 Dec 2007, 17:29

if 50 million people enjoy an album, it can not logically be "bad"

This is a logical fallacy right here folks. Learn to recognize it.

Mostly what I disagree with in that post is the assertion that The Eagles aren't a heap of shit.

HOWEVER it is kind of rude to tell that to the face of an Eagles fan or act like you're better than someone just cause they like The Eagles. If you want to put that fifty million statistic to good use, then the likelihood is that a good chunk of those fifty million people who bought that greatest hits compilation aren't douchebags and it'd be wrong to automatically treat them as such.

valley_parade · « **Reply #80 on:** 12 Dec 2007, 08:54 »

Quote from: CarpeNoctem on 09 Dec 2007, 01:25

Dookie by Green Day.
I should be ashamed, but I'm not. They used to be great.

You! Sendspace thread NOW. Download the Foxboro Hot Tubs EP. They're good again.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #81 on:** 12 Dec 2007, 08:59 »

Quote from: Johnny C on 12 Dec 2007, 08:52

Quote from: zerodrone on 04 Dec 2007, 17:29
if 50 million people enjoy an album, it can not logically be "bad"

This is a logical fallacy right here folks. Learn to recognize it.

You can't apply that kind of logical fallacy rule to the completely illogical realm of artistic taste.

If 50 million people believe that 1 + 1 =3, they can still be wrong because there are rules about how math works.

If 50 million people genuinely enjoy an Eagles album, they can not be wrong because there are no provable rules about what constitutes "good" or "bad" music.

Johnny C · « **Reply #82 on:** 12 Dec 2007, 09:06 »

No, you totally can. The fallacy is, "X people believe Y is true. Therefore, Y is true." Write it now as, "Fifty million people believe The Eagles don't suck. Therefore, The Eagles don't suck." See?

For The Eagles to not suck, you'd have to have a more compelling argument than "a lot of people like them," because that actually has nothing to do with whether they suck or not. That's the basis of the fallacy.

If you want, I can keep on applying this to different things which you can't really be truly objective about. For example, religion!

Christianity is the largest religion in the world. Therefore, the Christian God and Jesus must totally exist, right? I mean, two billion people believe in them!

I'm personally a Christian but if you try to tell me I'm right because of how many people agree with me I'll probably gently correct you.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #83 on:** 12 Dec 2007, 15:46 »

You're talking Moon Language, man.

I'm not saying that The Eagles are good because 50 million people like them. I'm saying that there is no way to say whether they are good or not at all, but if they make 50 million people happy, they are doing something right. To claim otherwise is to be a hipster snob.

The Christian thing is a great example of why you're shooting yourself in the foot. Your implication is that what I'm saying equates to "If 50 million people believe God exists, then he must". That's not what I'm saying. I'm not speaking in terms of objective reality. I don't believe in objective reality, and I certainly don't believe in it for the purposes of art. What I'm saying would be more akin to "If 50 million people believe God exists, that belief must be doing something for them".

No matter how much I think, believe or feel that The Eagles suck, I can't say that they actually do because it's a matter of opinion and clearly a lot of people think The Eagles don't suck and I have no basis for, or inclination toward, telling them that they're "wrong".

Johnny C · « **Reply #84 on:** 12 Dec 2007, 16:44 »

So let me see if I have this straight - the crux of your argument is that fifty million people own The Eagles' greatest hits because they like them?

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No matter how much I think, believe or feel that The Eagles suck, I can't say that they actually do because it's a matter of opinion and clearly a lot of people think The Eagles don't suck and I have no basis for, or inclination toward, telling them that they're "wrong".

I think you're muddling the hell out of what you're saying by including what I just emphasized there. Prior to the bold your argument is fairly straightforward but then you seem to contradict yourself. The part in bold is what I'm arguing against - just cause a bunch of people don't think they suck doesn't mean they don't suck.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #85 on:** 12 Dec 2007, 17:15 »

Quote from: Johnny C on 12 Dec 2007, 16:44

So let me see if I have this straight - the crux of your argument is that fifty million people own The Eagles' greatest hits because they like them?

Pretty much!

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The part in bold is what I'm arguing against - just cause a bunch of people don't think they suck doesn't mean they don't suck.

You're not making any sense. Who are you to say they suck? 50 million people say they don't suck, and you say they do. What logic are you using to argue that you're right and they're wrong?

Are you seriously saying that you can tell someone they're wrong about what they like?

camelpimp · « **Reply #86 on:** 12 Dec 2007, 18:08 »

Why the hell are you guys arguing about this? There is no such thing as objectivity when it comes to musical taste, so when you say something "sucks" you are only talking about your own opinion. DUH.

corwinzor · « **Reply #87 on:** 14 Dec 2007, 17:12 »

Thriller- Michael Jackson
Rumours- Fleetwood Mac
I got them on vinyl...they were probably 50 cents or something.

Kai · « **Reply #88 on:** 14 Dec 2007, 17:26 »

you guys are thinking way too much about The Eagles.

Jackie Blue · « **Reply #89 on:** 14 Dec 2007, 21:03 »

Shh! Don Henley sends me ten bucks every time I mention them without saying they suck. Don't fuck it up for me, dude.

Clobbersaurus · « **Reply #90 on:** 19 Dec 2007, 00:03 »

Quote from: tommydski on 04 Dec 2007, 06:11

I have Thriller on vinyl.

ditto.
that and Bad together in perfect condition for $5 on ebay, ship included. wewt. *pats self on back*

(and none of you motherfuckers better say anything to take that pat pat pat away from me!)

KharBevNor · « **Reply #91 on:** 19 Dec 2007, 01:59 »

Quote from: zerodrone on 12 Dec 2007, 17:15

Quote from: Johnny C on 12 Dec 2007, 16:44
So let me see if I have this straight - the crux of your argument is that fifty million people own The Eagles' greatest hits because they like them?

Pretty much!

I would argue that the fact that the Eagles best-selling release is a best-of is not a particular endorsement. In fact, when you correlate the success of this release and the success of Hotel California, which has sold about 27 million copies, what I think we are actually seeing is that a hell of a lot of people listen to classic rock radio. With the best-of, I think it's likely to be a sort of self-sustaining effect. It's popularity ensures that it is widely available, and in turn it is probably bought a lot pretty much for specific songs as opposed to the albums they originally came from. At the end of the day, it's not so much that fifty million people like the Eagles, it's that up to* fifty million people thought 'Tequila Sunrise' was a good song.

*Maybe much less than fifty million. Remember that both the best-of and Hotel California were originally released on vinyl. Similiarly with almost all the best-selling albums: Thriller, Back in Black, Dark Side of the Moon, and so forth. You've got to account for re-buying on CD. Trying to calculate ownership statistics for albums released before the advent of CDs is impossible as, theoretically, individual purchases and ownership could differ by up to 50%. Of course, replacement copies and so forth must always be taken into account...what this means, at the end of the day, is that more people are likely to own The Bodyguard Soundtrack or Millenium by the Backstreet boys than any given release by The Eagles, The Beatles, Pink Floyd etc.

MadassAlex · « **Reply #92 on:** 19 Dec 2007, 07:11 »

I don't own anything by the Eagles but a friend of mine swears they're the best thing since big tits.

But he also says playing fast isn't music so I am trying to take it with a grain of salt.

costacide · « **Reply #93 on:** 20 Dec 2007, 09:40 »

Green Day's Dookie and Enema Of The State by Blink-182.

Kai · « **Reply #94 on:** 20 Dec 2007, 11:11 »

I really do love how this parody thread has far outlived the thread it was mocking

CloudyObsession · « **Reply #95 on:** 20 Dec 2007, 19:06 »

My dad has every single Beatles Album on vinyl. Someday, THEY WILL BE MINE!

As for me, it's probably Appetite for Destruction by Guns N' Roses, or Demon Days by Gorillaz.

KharBevNor · « **Reply #96 on:** 20 Dec 2007, 20:20 »

I have every single beatles album on vinyl

maybe me and your dad should hook uop

what i'm saying is i wanna fuck your dad

Beastmouth · « **Reply #97 on:** 20 Dec 2007, 21:06 »

Quote from: MadassAlex on 19 Dec 2007, 07:11

I don't own anything by the Eagles but a friend of mine swears they're the best thing since big tits.

But he also says playing fast isn't music so I am trying to take it with a grain of salt.

Also, it's the Eagles. ;_;

CloudyObsession · « **Reply #98 on:** 21 Dec 2007, 04:01 »

I'm sure you do KharBevNor, I'm sure you do.
Unfortunately, you'll never know where to find me.

I've also got the Heart Greatest Hits, I'm pretty sure that's not rare.

captainoid · « **Reply #99 on:** 25 Dec 2007, 23:06 »

AC/DC- Back in Black

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CarpeNoctem

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camelpimp

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CloudyObsession

CloudyObsession

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