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Do you buy music?
a pack of wolves:
I almost never buy something I've downloaded, it would have to be something that had become one of my very favourites for me to do that. I do much prefer records but there's so much stuff I'd like to get hold of I always go for something I can't find online, which is almost always DIY stuff of one kind or another, rather than something I already have mp3s of. Because of this record shops aren't much use, distros (online or at gigs) or direct from bands is cheaper and vastly more likely to have what I want. Of late I haven't had enough money to buy any records at all (aside from the odd incredibly cheap second hand purchase), preferring things which I can't get a very good approximation of for free.
sandman263:
Hmmm, I see a big discrepancy with this one.... :wink:
"So, are you part of the problem? Do you download amazing albums from the Mediafire thread and then NOT actually buy the album? Are you a music leech or do you vote with your wallets to keep good musicians out of the poorhouse and making more good music for you to listen to? If you have a local used/new store, do you shop there, even though you can go on Amazon and feed the corporate whoremachine because a used disc on there might be a couple dollars cheaper? Do you buy new albums from Amazon instead of directly from the label, which is almost always cheaper anyway?"
Buying an album through the label (and even through Amazon) equates to the usual revenue split for musicians - about 10% of the CD's value (check out http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/16-01/ff_byrne for one of the most interesting and relevant articles on music trends in the last year - buying on iTunes means even less for the artist). So while it's cheaper, it's not helping the artist in any way whatsoever - so you're not keeping them out of the poorhouse, you're keeping them in it. Artists revenues come through merchandise and touring, and not through CD sales in the traditional sense. So even when you buy through your local independant shops, you're probably not helping, unless you know what % of the sale goes to the artist.
As for me, I download & buy, and when I buy, I buy off some of the large independant online CD suppliers catering to artists, where up to 90% of the money goes to the artist directly ( CDBaby.com is a great example of this). When I download, I do it to discover new music. The sheer amount of music I've purchased since I started downloading is huge - downloading helps me discover, and keeps my options (and mind) open to new artists and genres. When I find someone I really love, I buy everything I can by them.
I'd love to say I browse my local CD store - but my local CD store is 30 minutes away by car, and the average cost of a CD is around $40 (when converted from Euro). Throw in the fact that the people working in the stores are hired in bulk, and with about enough muscial knowledge to tell me about the new Britney Spears album, and you have the main reasons I'm an advocate of getting your music online, or buying your CD's online, where it benefits the artist - and this means not in local or national stores....
Jackie Blue:
--- Quote from: sandman263 on 30 Dec 2007, 11:42 ---Buying an album through the label (and even through Amazon) equates to the usual revenue split for musicians - about 10% of the CD's value (check out http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/16-01/ff_byrne for one of the most interesting and relevant articles on music trends in the last year - buying on iTunes means even less for the artist). So while it's cheaper, it's not helping the artist in any way whatsoever
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But you are helping independant labels and stores.
Also, as has been pointed out, an artist receiving a little money from a sale is better than nothing.
--- Quote ---Artists revenues come through merchandise and touring
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Did you read the whole thread before posting? I already addressed this. There are many artists, and many I know personally, for whom touring is at best a "break-even" endeavor, due usually to the nature of reproducing their music in a live setting.
--- Quote ---and not through CD sales in the traditional sense. So even when you buy through your local independant shops, you're probably not helping, unless you know what % of the sale goes to the artist.
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The point was not just to help "the artist", but to help "the industry" - mostly independant labels - by actually paying them for what they are providing you. This is a pretty simple point.
Johnny C:
A lot of artists whose releases are actually on labels have to first purchase quantities of their records for sale. A lot of folks don't seem to realise that. The costs of those quantities cover pressing, designing and associated costs that the label has likely covered or helped to cover. In the end buying from CDBaby and the like benefit unsigned artists the most, but for the rest of it you make only a bit more of a difference. Besides, in a case like Dischord, Touch & Go or Mint I'd much rather show the label that I appreciate what they're doing.
I buy from the local record store, the artists at gigs and the labels and artists via the internet. That way, I cover my respective bases: I financially support someone who runs a business I appreciate, I financially support arists when they are in town and I financially support artists that I may never actually see live.
Thrillho:
--- Quote from: sandman263 on 30 Dec 2007, 11:42 ---Hmmm, I see a big discrepancy with this one.... :wink:
"So, are you part of the problem? Do you download amazing albums from the Mediafire thread and then NOT actually buy the album? Are you a music leech or do you vote with your wallets to keep good musicians out of the poorhouse and making more good music for you to listen to? If you have a local used/new store, do you shop there, even though you can go on Amazon and feed the corporate whoremachine because a used disc on there might be a couple dollars cheaper? Do you buy new albums from Amazon instead of directly from the label, which is almost always cheaper anyway?"
Buying an album through the label (and even through Amazon) equates to the usual revenue split for musicians - about 10% of the CD's value (check out http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/16-01/ff_byrne for one of the most interesting and relevant articles on music trends in the last year - buying on iTunes means even less for the artist). So while it's cheaper, it's not helping the artist in any way whatsoever - so you're not keeping them out of the poorhouse, you're keeping them in it. Artists revenues come through merchandise and touring, and not through CD sales in the traditional sense. So even when you buy through your local independant shops, you're probably not helping, unless you know what % of the sale goes to the artist.
As for me, I download & buy, and when I buy, I buy off some of the large independant online CD suppliers catering to artists, where up to 90% of the money goes to the artist directly ( CDBaby.com is a great example of this). When I download, I do it to discover new music. The sheer amount of music I've purchased since I started downloading is huge - downloading helps me discover, and keeps my options (and mind) open to new artists and genres. When I find someone I really love, I buy everything I can by them.
I'd love to say I browse my local CD store - but my local CD store is 30 minutes away by car, and the average cost of a CD is around $40 (when converted from Euro). Throw in the fact that the people working in the stores are hired in bulk, and with about enough muscial knowledge to tell me about the new Britney Spears album, and you have the main reasons I'm an advocate of getting your music online, or buying your CD's online, where it benefits the artist - and this means not in local or national stores....
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All you shitty newbies, make note - THIS is the way you start on this forum.
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