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[Uber Ritter]

The girlfriend and I came up with the brilliant idea of getting me and the two other people we know on campus that really, really like Bauhaus to get together and DJ a goth dance party.  I was also thinking I'd play industrial since there's so much overlap and a lot of the more recent (post-KMFDM) stuff is so danceable.

I've got the following in my CD collection that I think will be useful:
The Vanishing-Songs for Psychotic Children
The Cure-Pornography, 17 Seconds, Kiss me...
Bauhaus-Crackle and The Sky's Gone Out (plus their vinyl Singles collection)
KMFDM-Adios
Joy Division-Unknown Pleausres and Closer (I'm thinking "She's Lost Control" is a must)
VNV Nation-Empires and Burning Empires
The Sisters of Mercy-Floodland

I know I'm missing some classics from Siouxsie and the Banshees, Christian Death etc. but what songs would particularly add to the above assortment?  Anything by the Legendary Pink Dots accessible and dancey enough?  I like them and they're prolific, but don't know much of their music.  Anything from the above or elsewhere that would be a 'must?'

[Johnny C]

BELA...

       LUGOSI'S...

              DEAD...

[Uber Ritter]

Man, I forgot about that.  I already have a tailcoat that it would be a shame to waste but it's sooooo tempting.

[KharBevNor]

Key question here: are you after goth music you can dance to, or music you can goth dance to?

Looks like you're after a fairly wide selection. I'd find and consider the following tracks, based entirely on my own personal biases. Depends on how eclectic you want it maybe:

:wumpscut: - Black Death
:wumpscut: - Funeral Diner
Alien Sex Fiend - Clockwork Banana Banana Moon
Alien Sex Fiend - Ignore the Machine
Angelspit - Nurse Grenade
Anne Clark - Our Darkness
Cat Rapes Dog - Motordead
Christian Death - Romeos Distress
Combichrist - This is My Rifle
Covenant - Call the Ships to Port
The Cure - Burn
The Cure - Just Like Heaven
Current 93 - Crowleymass
E Nomine - Mitternacht
Edge of Sanity - Sacrificed
Funker Vogt - History
Gothminister - Devil [Icon of Coil Remix]
Hanzel und Gretyl - Disko Fire Scheiss Messiah
Icon of Coil - Access and Amplify
Icon of Coil - Floorkiller
Inkubus Sukkubus - The Leveller
Inkubus Sukkubus - Vampyre Erotica
The Invincible Spirit - Push!
KMFDM - A Drug Against War
Laibach - Tanz Mit Laibach
Laibach - War
London After Midnight - Where Good Girls Go to Die
Ministry - Every Day is Halloween
Mortiis - Marshland
Siouxsie and the Banshees - Spellbound
Skinny Puppy - Grave Wisdom
The Sisters of Mercy - This Corrosion (ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL)
The Sisters of Mercy - Vision Thing
Strawberry Switchblade - Since Yesterday
Tiamat - Nihil
Wolfsheim - Approaching Lightspeed
Wolfsheim - The Sparrows and the Nightingales
XIII. Stoleti - London After Midnight
Zombina and the Skeletones - Horror Highschool
Zombina and the Skeletones - Nobody Likes You When You're Dead

[Jackie Blue]

Having DJ'd a lot of goth nights in the past 8 years, I think the key question here is: Do you guys want to hear all the "classics" that you have heard ninety thousand times before, or do you want to play lots of diverse stuff that might surprise people?

Because see, when I DJ, I avoid like the plague all the "must play" songs.  That means no fucking BiiGod20's cover of "Like a Prayer", that means no Sisters of Mercy period, no Ministry, no "Beers Steers and Queers", no "Headhunter", no "Bela Lugosi's Dead", etc.

Instead I always focus on songs which may not be typically labelled "goth" but which fit the mood of a "goth dance night" - PJ Harvey's "Down By the Water", Portishead's "Sour Times", pretty much anything off Maxinquaye (or "Christiansands"), The Real Tuesday Weld ("The Ugly and the Beautiful", "The Life and Times of the Clerkenwell Kid"), a decent amount of electroclash (Peaches' "AA XXX" or "Fuck the Pain Away", Miss Kittin's "Frank Sinatra"), IDM (Future Sound of London's "We Have Explosive" or "Elysian Feels").

And I don't stop there; Hell, I'll play fucking Belle and Sebastian if I want to, or Bardo Pond, definitely My Bloody Valentine's "Soon" which is a killer moody dance track, I have played Tom Waits, Sonic Youth, even Godspeed You! Black Emperor.

And that's why they keep asking me back and keep paying me.  And hell yes people dance, except for the retarded close-minded "I don't know the lyrics to this song by heart so I will not dance to it" sheeple.

[KharBevNor]

He's doing a goth theme night, not trying to convince his mates he has better taste than them.

[Alex C]

Spellbound's a good choice, but Arabian Knights is another one I'd consider from the Siouxsie & the Banshee's catalog.

[a pack of wolves]

The Horatii - Island of the Zombie Women. That song is ridiculous amounts of fun to dance to.

[dancarter]

okay...let's see here...

zombie girl - i want it (soman rmx)
frontline assembly - mindphaser
neikka rpm - demon breeder (trashbeat rmx)
unter null - sick fuck (aesthetic perfection rmx)
neon cage experiment - we two are one
android lust - hole solution
monstrum sepsis - doors and windows (haujobb rmx)
cut.rate.box - misery
pneumatic detach - arrhythmia (grenadier rmx)
endif - sleeper cell
assemblage 23 - binary
nerve filter - tweaker
combichrist -  this shit will fuck you up
edge of dawn - losing ground (blind faith and envy rmx)
ayria - the gun song(essence of mind rmx)
run level zero -  under the gun (cal.50 rmx by x-fusion)
panzer ag - beneath a gas mask
download - omniman(rmx)
skinny puppy - assimilate

[David_Dovey]

sheeple.

[The extra letter]

Some previously unmentioned stereotypical songs. 'Cause it's not a goth night without a few old chestnuts:

Alien Sex Fiend - Ignore the Machine
Killing Joke - Love Like Blood
The Cult - Resurrection Joe
The Merry Thoughts - Psychocult
Fields of the Nephilim - Last Exit for the Lost, Preacher Man or Elizium
Gene Loves Jezebel - Jealous
The Mission UK - Wasteland
Specimen - Wet Warm Red Velvet Clingfilm Crush
Lords of the New Church - New Church
The March Violets - Walk into the Sun

[lonewolfsis04]

Laibach and Chombichrist fit well...

but voltaire-when you're evil just pops in my head while reading this thread.

[amok]

Ashbury Heights - Christ
Junk Circuit - Bela Lugosi's Dead (it's ok it's a 4 minute synthpop version)
ASCII Disko - Strassen
Painbastard - When The Rats Desert The Sinking Ship
Angels & Agony - Forwards

dancarter knows his shit too, half the bands I might've mentioned pop up in there somewhere so I'll keep my own post short.

[lonewolfsis04]

dancarter knows his shit too, half the bands I might've mentioned pop up in there somewhere so I'll keep my own post short.

Yeah, all the bands/songs that I've thought of have pretty much been said.

[Azathoth]

Skywave - Over and Over
A Place to Bury Strangers - To Fix the Gash in Your Head

Not goth per se but the goth kids will go crazy for these tracks.

[Jackie Blue]

He's doing a goth theme night, not trying to convince his mates he has better taste than them.

You really can be a dick sometimes.

[Jackie Blue]

cut.rate.box - misery

Holy shit, people still remember them?  I went to highschool with those guys.

ObOnTopic: OK, fine.  I wasn't trying to be all douchelordy with my original post, just saying there are different ways to do a "goth dance night" in light of the fact that very little good goth or industrial has been made in the past, oh, 15 years or so, and people around my age have gotten burnt out on "the classic goth station" approach.

THAT SAID, some more classic artists or tracks you could play:

Emergency Broadcast Network - "Sexual Orientation"
Scraping Foetus off the Wheel - "Throne of Agony"
Nitzer Ebb - "Lightning Man"
Pigface - "Suck"
Front 242 - "Welcome to Paradise"
Killing Joke
Mona Lisa Overdrive
KOMPRESSOR
The Birthday Party
Dresden Dolls - "Coin Operated Boy"
Freezepop - "Science Genius Girl"
Legendary Pink Dots - "Spike"

[KharBevNor]

You really can be a dick sometimes.

[Trollstormur]

I only listen to the hiiiiiiighest quality gothic industrial

LOL

[Jackie Blue]

What is wrong with only listening to the best of a genre?  I am confused.

[De_El]

Nitzer Ebb - "Lightning Man"
Pigface - "Suck"
Front 242 - "Welcome to Paradise"
The Birthday Party

I was almost proud of myself, because nobody had mention ^ those bands.
Goddamn you, sir.

Regardless, I guess I'll go ahead and mention
"The Kill" and "Ice Age" - Joy Division
"The Cutter," "Villier's Terrace," "Nocturnal Me" - Echo & the Bunnymen (Nocturnal Me? I mean come on)
"Metal Machine Music" - Die Krupps
"The Hair Shirt," "Waving My Arms," "Six Strings That Drew Blood," "Cry" - The Birthday Party
"Let Your Body Learn" and "Murderous" - Nitzer Ebb
And for Front 242 I thought specifically of Headhunter and got so excited I kind of blocked out all their other songs. *shrug*

[KvP]

Damn, I've got an Android Lust album hidden somewhere around my room. I really ought to find it. It's been awhile.

[Jackie Blue]

Android Lust is kind of like what if Trent Reznor was a chick and didn't suck at writing music.  I dig her/them.

Just so the dance party doesn't get too serious, play See Colin Slash's "Hardcore" and "Headhunter 1969".

[Uber Ritter]

Thanks for everyone's input.  Thing is most of the people coming won't know who the Sisters of Mercy -are-, since the three people who are into goth music are the ones throwing the party.  But yeah, I forgot entirely about Tricky--I have Maxinque.  "Black Steel" and "Hell is Round the Corner" are my favorites from it without thinking, though Black Steel does make me want to shake my ass more.

[David_Dovey]

Does it matter if people know who each band is?

Whenever I'm listening to a DJ I invariably won't know about 75% of what they're playing, no matter what the genre, but it don't stop me from shaking my booty.

[Jackie Blue]

Whenever I'm listening to a DJ I invariably won't know about 75% of what they're playing, no matter what the genre, but it don't stop me from shaking my booty.

OTM

OTM

OTM

That was the point of my original post in this thread.

[KharBevNor]

I thought the point of your original post was to suggest that the OP construct a playlist for a themed goth night that did not involve any goth music at all.

[David_Dovey]

zerodrone, I agree you made some good points in your original posts, but (and I'm reluctant to jump on the "hate on zerodrone" bandwagon, cos it's been done to death) the way you put stuff certainly could use some work. It just makes you come across as an elitist with a superiority complex.

P.S; OTM? What?

P.P.S; I personally kind of like it when DJ's drop "standards" into their sets, but obviously there's a way to do it creatively and without overkilling it. But there's no denying I tend to get a bit giddy whenever a house DJ throws down some Daft Punk or something.

[Jackie Blue]

(and I'm reluctant to jump on the "hate on zerodrone" bandwagon, cos it's been done to death)

I don't know, I think other than Khar people generally like me these days, because I am a charming motherfucker.

(OTM is short for "On The Money").

And yes, Khar, my original post was showing how to have a goth night without restricting onself to bands that actively call themselves goth.  This is a big point in my experience.  Something like Labradford's "V" is far more goth sounding than many bands that claim to BE goth.  So the point was that a "goth dance night" does not have to consist entirely of bands who call themselves goth.

IT IS WORTH NOTING AT THIS POINT THAT BOTH BAUHAUS AND SISTERS OF MERCY DENIED BEING "GOTH" BANDS.

[Alex C]

I think everyone's aware of the whole "You're not really a seminal Goth band if you readily admit to being Goth," thing by now.

Really though, I believe this is a non-issue. Going with some "cliched" stuff is hardly a sin if you're really gunning for the theme night, especially since a lot of of those "cliched" songs are well-loved for a reason. If you were running a club and wanted a big chunk of variety to avoid getting into a rut night in and night out, that's one thing, but if you're  just doing a one shot campus party there's no shame in grabbing the theme and riding it into the ground for one night either. And if there's no real goth scene to speak of odds are you'll likely get a few people who are approaching the night form the standpoint of a cheerful sense of irony and a cursory knowledge of the ol' standards that they'll expect to hear. I mean, hell, if people can get away with throwing super campy disco themed parties with waaay too much Beegees and the Village People then I would think a Goth Dance Night could survive "This Corrosion" getting played for the billionth time. After all, a lot of the time people like what is familiar, or at least not entirely unexpected. That said, I do kind of see where Zerodrone is coming from, and it may actually be a decent idea to limit the number of iconic titles you play back to back and/or just wait for requests or when there's a bit of a lull and having something potentially recognizeable could inject some life back into things. I really don't think there's a wrong answer here.

[KharBevNor]

I definitely know that if I went to a night advertised as a goth night and the DJ only played PJ Harvey, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, Portishead and Future Sounds of London I would be, to say the least, slightly fucking miffed. If I go to a fucking goth night I want to hear some actual fucking goth music, not some shit I could hear on the radio in my fine art studio all fucking day.

After all, it's a goth night. Not a night for goths. Big fucking difference. If you've got a goth club playing goth music every fucking night, then yeah, maybe some variety like that would be good, but that's transparently not what this is.

[Sox]

It's worth pointing out at this point that both Zerodrone and KharBevNor probably hang out in very different places. While KharBevNor might visit clubs where 'goth' is the norm, Zerodrone might frequent places where a goth theme night is just as much a novelty as a robot themed college party, in which case he'd easily get away with playing the some of the bands he mentioned. No self proclaimed 'goth' is going to leave their regular haunt to visit an indie-centric club having a themed night. However, patrons of an indie-centric club on a themed night probably wouldn't care if somebody stuck with the 'classics' mentioned in this thread. They are, after all, what is expected from a themed night.

I think what KharBevNor is saying is that while frequent flying goths would shake things up with the music Zerodrone has posted, the indie kids would shake things up with 'actual' goth music. By playing indie music for indie kids on a goth themed night, you're defying the point somewhat.
If your crowd usually listens to pop music and you advertise a goth night, they're likely there to hear Sisters of Mercy, not PJ Harvey.

[dancarter]

dancarter knows his shit too, half the bands I might've mentioned pop up in there somewhere so I'll keep my own post short.

I don't know so much if I know my shit, it's just a mix sort of thing that'll get people dancing.  New stuff, old stuff....there's a reason why those classics always get people moving, despite how people may groan about hearing VNV at a club, or Apop or any of the others.  They're just really good songs.

[Jackie Blue]

It's worth pointing out at this point that both Zerodrone and KharBevNor probably hang out in very different places. While KharBevNor might visit clubs where 'goth' is the norm, Zerodrone might frequent places where a goth theme night is just as much a novelty as a robot themed college party, in which case he'd easily get away with playing the some of the bands he mentioned.

Actually this is not true.  The goth nights I DJ are real, honest to gosh goth nights.  "Indie kids" do not come to them.  I get made fun of by "indie kids" for DJing at "goth clubs".

I suppose it is worth noting that there are always at least two DJs and we rotate our sets, but that doesn't mean much since it is not a guarantee the other DJ(s) will play "goth classics" either.

Maybe it is more accurate to say these are "goth nights" because they are attended by goth-industrial people rather than that goth-industrial music is all that is played?  Regardless, they are certainly advertised as "goth nights" though the actual "g word" is not usually used.

[Sox]

Ah, my misunderstanding. You didn't previously specify you DJ'd to a particular crowd. Myself, and, I assume, KharBevNor assumed you were giving alternative music to an audience at an event that was supposedly for 'goth' music. My apologies.

[bff]

i haven't seen them mentioned here at all, but some Leatherstrip would be good to have

[roadkillnecrophiliac]

Hum. I usually see a huge difference between the average Combichrist or Siouxsie fan. It really depends on the crowd.

I happen to loathe industrial/EBM. Unless there is something in my blood that isn't supposed to be, which happens occasionally.

[KharBevNor]

I like both. Not really mutually exclusive are they?

[amok]

Not even close.

[teh pwn queen]

How about a little Cradle of Filth and She Wants Revenge?

[Clobbersaurus]

KMFDM's "der mussolini" cover is goth party incarnate... well, "goth party incarnate" as in the only goth party i'd ever go to.

[bff]

forgot to mention :wumpscut:  "You are Goth"

[dancarter]

...and Razed in Black's "Oh My Goth!"

[Kai]

this thread made me listen to :wumpscut: again.

Thank you thread. I forgot wumpscut were so awesome

[KharBevNor]

...and Razed in Black's "Oh My Goth!"

69 Eyes - Gothic Girl

[amok]

man I know you were just followin' the theme 'n' all, but someone who doesn't know better might read that and actually listen to 69 eyes which would be pretty tragic. chuck a disclaimer or something on that.

[Muskrat121]

Assemblage 23, Neuroticfish (Which is good for dancing), Informatik...

A lot of it depends on what kind of party you're looking for.  Either a dance party, or more of a laid back listening to music while doing...other...things kidn of party.

[KharBevNor]

man I know you were just followin' the theme 'n' all, but someone who doesn't know better might read that and actually listen to 69 eyes which would be pretty tragic.

Man, 69 Eyes aren't that bad. Not all their stuff anyway. Not if you like cheese. Which I do.

[Rizzo]

You're pretty much legally obliged these days to play This Shit Will Fuck You Up by Combichrist. Dunno why but it always comes up at shows here...
You'll also want to crank some Covenant and probably a bit of Fields of the Nephilim for OG goth cred.
Bah, I'm bored.

[KvP]

Somebody mentioned Combichrist?

Muting will allow you to enjoy the dance to other songs, such as Haddaway's "What Is Love?"