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jhocking:
google 'pain ray'

negative creep:
Just to clarify: those things are illegal by any international standards.

Also that thing in the video seems to be quite harmless in contrast to what I've heard about it. Could a different one, thought.

Scandanavian War Machine:

--- Quote from: Slick on 14 Feb 2008, 08:55 ---Man, how often has anyone here had to defend themselves with lethal force? I'm not asking that rhetorically to argue in a snide sort of way, I'm asking seriously.

--- End quote ---

my friend Stevie got robbed at gun point last week, buddy JD got jumped twice but luckily he just stood up to them and they turned out to be cowards, TJ got his teeth knocked out with brass knuckles recently, and the same guys that knocked his teeth out also broke some girls ribs and tried to throw her into the ocean. those are only the recent examples that i can think of; there's definitely more that i won't go into.

feel free to feel as safe as you want but i sure as shit don't. these are people i know and i live in an extremely small town surrounded by several other, equally small towns. and this shit still goes down.

and that fails to mention all of the herion/crack/meth addicts who wouldn't hesitate to rob and/or kill you (several of whom are people who i used to call friends,unfortunately).

...and that's my rant.

schimmy:
Now, I don't know much about the scenario, but there's a few things that make MAD a bad analogy for guns in general.
I assume those in charge of missile bases, like Petrov had to be highly intelligent to get to their positions. Intelligent enough to weigh up the pros and cons of firing missiles when they think the other side might have already fired there's. I don't know the gun laws of any country, but I'm going to go ahead and assume that you don't have to be as intelligent, trained, or experienced, as men like Petrov to buy a gun. So, what makes you* qualified to decide whether someone is posing a definite threat to your, or someone else's, life. Presumably in any situation where you know for certain "This person is going to try to kill me" it's going to be far too late for you to draw a gun and eliminate the threat.**
That takes me neatly onto my next point: time. How long does it take for nuclear missiles to get from the former Soviet bases to the American mainland, and vice versa? A matter of minutes I assume. In those minutes, at least some sort of rational decision making can be done to determine whether the threat is genuine. How long does a person have to figure out if someone is going to try to kill them, or someone else? I think saying they have 10 seconds to decide is fairly generous.

So, to sum up, MAD involves intelligent people who have a certain (admittedly fairly short) amount of time to rationally decide whether a nuclear attack is underway.
On the other hand, we have people who are almost certainly going to be less intelligent than military officials*** with much less time than military officials having to decide whether they need to use a gun or not.

*'You' not being aimed at anyone here, just people in general.
**Because, you know, they're not people, like you or me, they're criminals who are therefor pure evil and deserving of being wounded or killed.
***I'm not saying gun owners can't be intelligent, but rather that MOST people are less intelligent than military officials.


Now. Will someone who can write better than be please rewrite all that to make more sense?

Alex C:
I agree that MAD is a terrible analogy; I don't even know why the Cold War was brought up, honestly. That said, I'm fairly comfortable with very bad things happening to "People just like you or me" when they're in the midst of committing a crime because when you are committing a crime you've forfeited a lot of your rights, are antagonizing people and most imporantly, you become an unknown, unpredictable quantity. I don't know what a mugger or person who breaks into my home could do; I really don't. All you can know with any reasonable certainty is that the person in question is showing a lack of respect for society's conventions, the well-being of others and have quite willfully put you in a very bad situation for reasons unknown. How someone goes from there isn't something I'm really prepared to criticize.

I'm actually against the death penalty and I'm a pretty big advocate of the rights of the accused. I am a gun owner, but I'm against concealed carry and I don't really think of them as a self-defense option; my own weapons are stored empty and equipped with trigger locks plus shooting someone is an event I feel I could rather do without. That said, I worry less about people who would only fire a gun when they believe they're in very real danger than I would worry about someone who is willing to commit a crime for their own gain.

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