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Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun
dennis:
--- Quote from: Scandanavian War Machine on 14 Feb 2008, 17:07 ---@Dennis
are you going to stand (or sit) there and tell me that if somebody raped and murdered your whole family you wouldn't want them to die? what if they did it right in front of you, with no law enforcement around, and you had a gun in your hand? would you shoot them? i fucking would.
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I said it's always illegal. I said nothing about whether it's right or wrong, and I'm not naive enough to believe that just because something is against the law that it's also wrong. I do think that it's wrong to kill someone, whatever the reason, but I doubt I doubt I would be strong enough to resist the temptation to kill in your hypothetical situation.
--- Quote ---the idea that "murder is never right, no matter what" is idiotic, idealistic, and naive. sometimes, people just need to die. i'm sorry we don't live in candyland but shit happens.
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Why? What makes you so sure your gut feeling is true?
--- Quote ---yes, my examples from my own life were weak but that's just my life. that's all i have to go on. they may not seem bad to someone from a city (not you necessarily, i don't know where your from) but i grew up in a place where that shit just didn't happen so when something like that happens, it's a big fucking deal. it's scary when you've never seen that kind of violence before, to all of a sudden have it crashing through your doors.
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Well, you could get hit by a bus tomorrow, you should probably avoid roads.
--- Quote ---if i was robbed at gun point, i wouldn't want to kill the person; that would be silly. i would however, try my damnedest to really hurt that person, if i could, then call the police.
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You'd risk getting shot for petty revenge? You don't fuck around, man.
--- Quote ---i know all drug addicts aren't maniacs, that's obviously ridiculous. i tend to overuse hyperbole.
one of my best friends is a heroin addict and she's lovely. but many of my other ex-friends who are now constantly doped-up have actually taken to stealing and other sketchy activities. so it seems to me that the next step couldn't be far-off.
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So petty crime is a gateway to murder? Or only if you're a drug addict? I mean, assuming you avoided getting shot by the armed robber in your previous example and subdued him, you'd maim him, then call the police. That's assault and battery, a worse crime than theft and "sketchy activity". Does that mean you're a step away from murdering people you think might commit a crime in the future?
--- Quote ---i'm pretty sure i sound like a huge jerk thoughout most of this post but i don't want to try to find a p.c. way to say it so i'll just leave it as is. sorry.
also, on a semi-related note: i really liked what you said about guns a couple posts ago. you basically said what i wasn't articulate enough to say.
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I don't think anyone cares if you're PC in here. I certainly don't.
dennis:
--- Quote from: jhocking on 14 Feb 2008, 20:22 ---
--- Quote from: dennis on 14 Feb 2008, 16:32 ---Let me flip this question around: What is the purpose of a gun that doesn't fire when the trigger is pulled?
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Given that you didn't answer the question, I'm guessing you thought I was arguing with you. That's okay though, other people already answered.
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Sorry. I was feeling rhetorical.
Nodaisho:
--- Quote from: dennis on 14 Feb 2008, 16:32 ---In that case, Glocks are not for you. The Glock safety system is not inherently flawed, but it doesn't cover for unsafe use of the gun, which is why it's popular with professional armed units like police.
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And I am sure the price cuts glock gives to police units doesn't have anything to do with it. And your average police officers likely shoots less often than your average gun enthusiast, they only have to qualify once yearly. If glocks are so awesome, why does only one military use them, that being the Austrian military, and not some special forces group? The Marine Expeditionary Unit uses 1911s still, as does delta force (allegedly). This is becoming a glock/1911 debate though.
Now, here is a question. How do you know the guy robbing you won't just stab you or shoot you if he doesn't want you to be able to finger him in a lineup or if he is angry that you don't have as much money as he thought you would? It isn't so much that you value your money more than someone's life, it is that you don't want to be at someone else's mercy.
I am unlike sonof, in that I would feel a great deal of remorse over it, at least after it happened. I would probably have myself put on a suicide watch, because shooting someone is something that should not have to happen. If you shoot someone, it means something went wrong somewhere, even if it was just when he (or she) decided to start mugging people on the street.
dennis:
--- Quote from: SonofZ3 on 14 Feb 2008, 21:08 ---I don't think it is a matter of how much money I have. I'd respond the same way if someone pulled a knife, threatened me and I had absolutely no money on me at all. I feel it is the principal that someone is threatening my well being, and wants to take from me what I earned by working. If someone threatens me in a serious manner I assume they are willing to do me harm, and if they're trying to do me harm I don't feel any remorse for responding in kind.
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But what exactly can you do to protect yourself against a man who has a gun pointed at you (and presumably anyone you're with)?
If you assume that he is not willing to kill you and just using the gun to intimidate you, and you use deadly force against him, that's attempted murder if not murder. Whether or not you're successful, you are risking your own life and that of anyone who is around which you basically do not have the right to do.
If you assume that he is willing to kill you for your money, then you are putting a price on your life, and that of bystanders. How much your life is worth to you is your business, but you can't make that decision for anyone else.
If you assume that he is going to kill you anyway, then you're wrong. If that were the case, he'd just rob your dead body.
In any case, robbers want your money, not your life.
dennis:
--- Quote from: Nodaisho on 14 Feb 2008, 21:27 ---
--- Quote from: dennis on 14 Feb 2008, 16:32 ---In that case, Glocks are not for you. The Glock safety system is not inherently flawed, but it doesn't cover for unsafe use of the gun, which is why it's popular with professional armed units like police.
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And I am sure the price cuts glock gives to police units doesn't have anything to do with it. And your average police officers likely shoots less often than your average gun enthusiast, they only have to qualify once yearly. If glocks are so awesome, why does only one military use them, that being the Austrian military, and not some special forces group? The Marine Expeditionary Unit uses 1911s still, as does delta force (allegedly). This is becoming a glock/1911 debate though.
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If Glock offers discounts to police units, I'm sure other manufacturers do as well.
I'm also not some kind of Glock nut. I think they have their merits, as I do of 1911s, USPs, and the M9. Military contracts are awarded as much for personal preference and political reasons, as much as technical reasons.
--- Quote ---Now, here is a question. How do you know the guy robbing you won't just stab you or shoot you if he doesn't want you to be able to finger him in a lineup or if he is angry that you don't have as much money as he thought you would? It isn't so much that you value your money more than someone's life, it is that you don't want to be at someone else's mercy.
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Like I said, you don't know that. However, pulling a gun on a person who is already pointing a gun on you is tactically stupid. Sometimes you don't have a choice, which is why guns are scary!
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