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Some Stupid Asshole Invented A Taser Shotgun

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Alex C:
Yep. They're called drop safeties; they're required in states like California.

As far as the whole "They turned the safe alternative to a firearm into a firearm!" thing, I guess I just don't see what the big deal is about as long as it's properly engineered. Tasers aren't really intended to be an alternative to guns so much as they're meant to be an alternative to killing people; a fine distinction to be sure, but it is a meaningful one. Guns do their job extremely well and they're based on a mature, proven technology. If taser firearm could be engineered in such a way as to be as safe as tasers while outperforming them in other categories, I wouldn't really have a problem with it. I guess I just don't see any ethical difference between shooting someone with taser propelled by a CO2 cartridge and a taser propelled by gunpowder provided they're both safely designed.

Johnny C:
Since when were tasers safe? At best, they're less unsafe.

KharBevNor:
When are tasers an alternative to killing people? Seems to me if there's any situation that really requires the use of a gun, (ie. the criminal has a gun) law enforcement personnel are probably going to shoot the guy anyway. Are you saying that before the advent of tasers people being prats at a political speech, or making a fuss in a university library, would have been shot?

Alex C:
Yeesh. You're really quibbling over the safe unsafe target bad guy victim stuff tonight. I get what you're saying; you don't like tasers; I don't really like them either. I'm just saying I don't really see how whether it's a shotgun or not should really matter provided they're both operating within similar parameters.

And yeah Khar, I know what you mean; I said more or less the same thing earlier; If you're not willing to kill someone over it's probably not a big enough deal to go shooting people with anything over. I just thought the "OMG, the taser comes out of a gun now!" part needlessly alarmist, since I don't really think it changes anything.

Nodaisho:

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--- Quote from: Nodaisho on 13 Feb 2008, 22:20 ---The BG? For Bad Guy?

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You and I both know that the target in question is a living, breathing human being.

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Yes, and while I don't like the idea of having to do violence, if it is a choice between shooting someone that is trying to rape or kill me or a loved one, and letting it happen, I would try to stop him/her, I would not "shoot to kill", nor would I shoot to wound, I would shoot to live, and keep my loved one(s) alive. Whether the aggressor is still alive afterwards isn't as important.

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--- Quote ---But I bet you a hell of a lot more people get killed with cars than illegally with guns, even counting the "accidents" that people have with guns.
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Statistics aside for the time being, why even make the distinction? It's more worrying to me that you could conceivably be killed legally with a gun. Beyond that, a car isn't meant to run into anything, so when it does it's not being used for its purpose. When a gun maims or injures someone, it's done its job.
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If you are killed legally with a gun, it means you are breaking into someone's house/vehicle (in some states), or trying to do something that can be legally responded to with lethal force. Most likely (again), raping or killing. The purpose of the object depends on the person that uses it, it has its own potential, but how said potential is used is completely up to the user.

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--- Quote ---My dad has a .22 pump gun, he used to use it to kill rabbits, when they tried to eat his crops while he was farming. Food for the table, right? He also has a double-barreled shotgun that we don't know the quality of, or if it is even safe to fire, since it went through a flood and we don't know how old it is. Want to take a guess as to how many times they have been used in a crime while we have possessed them? Or how many times they have even loaded themselves?
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In the case of a collectible or a rifle in a rural setting, the argument could be easily made that they're necessary for the job, and I'm certainly not arguing that. If you live in the suburbs and for some reason you have a handgun in your home, that's a different story.
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We live in a... not sure, it isn't really suburban, but it isn't urban either, and definitely not rural, it is nice. Why a rifle and not a handgun? Don't believe Lynyrd Skynyrd, handguns are commonly used for target shooting as well. Rifles are more powerful, I would sure as hell rather be facing a guy with a handgun than a guy with a rifle. Course, I would rather not be in a situation where someone will be shooting at me at all.

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--- Quote ---For many shooters, shooting is a relaxing experience. It is a discipline requiring careful muscle discipline, breathing control, and co-ordination. Basically, yoga with a boom. I read something like that somewhere, wish I could remember where.
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I have to voice a significant doubt - and here, if anywhere, is this post's weak point - that there's nothing out there that can equal this experience. For me, I play music, I act, I play video games. On occasion I bike, and on rarer occasions I swim. All of these are, at the end of the day, relaxing experiences for me, requiring careful muscle discipline, breathing control and co-ordination in all circumstances. While I don't doubt that shooting is a relaxing experience for folks, I feel that all the energy directed towards firearm culture could be better expended on something constructive rather than destructive.

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So basically you are saying someone else shouldn't be able to do something because you don't like it?

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--- Quote ---Dennis, I just don't feel safe with the idea of a gun where pulling the trigger removes the safety. I have always been taught that the safety is in case of accidents, including the trigger getting pulled when it isn't supposed to. Sure, most revolvers don't have a safety at all, and they don't go off randomly that I can tell (unless possessed by one B. Fife), but it just goes against the grain, what I have been taught since I was four and shooting tin cans with a red ryder on the outskirts of town.

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This on the other hand is sound. If it's necessary for a handgun to exist then the safety should do its job - namely, make sure the gun isn't fired unless the safety is deliberately disengaged. If that takes some more time, consider that extra incentive to have readily available alternatives.

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It probably takes about an eighth of a second. fighting is what happens when something went really wrong somewhere, and you can't get away, at least not without giving up something you aren't willing to give up.

Khar, I find it very peaceful, just about spiritual. I am somewhat odd though.

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