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JazzyJoe:
To put this to bed I am not talking about forcing poor people to join the military. Poor people joining the military happens anyway, the poor and young have always been the ones to die.

When has the poor ever had power besides uniting to overthrow? That is not happening anymore since everyone is looking out for themselves... which is going in a circle basically. Every nation favors the rich and to some degree the middle class. As long as the world has money poor people WILL be stepped on no matter how perfect a country is. I am not condoning this at all. I just know that is how it works. However thinking that the US government is forcing people to stay poor is not true. Also blaming the government for keeping people poor is a very convenient excuse for poor people that want wealth without work.


--- Quote ---I like the United States and don't think it's near as bad as the loudest protesters make it out to be, but I'm perfectly okay with a little protest keeping discussion alive.
--- End quote ---
I also agree with this point. I just don't see much protesting as useful. More like people holding onto an era in the US that did basically nothing.


I don't care to reply to Sox's post.. don't try to tie racism to a and sexism to your post to try and make yourself look right. Also I know  many people that simply WORKED to get themselves out of debt or poverty, I don't care to debate this subject with you Sox. You seem to ignorant for me to care.

Sox:
There's a difference between forcing somebody into doing something, or giving them no other option. It's a small difference as far as government is concerned. A lot of people who join the military because they are poor do so because they don't really have a better option. The current attitude seems to be 'sign up or stay poor'. It's okay telling people to work into order to achieve something, but surely, a government has an obligation to give it's people the necessary tools to help themselves? Other people have suggested that more focus should be placed on better education, they have a point.

Please, don't stop the debate. I do not think that you are wrong, I'd very much like to continue the discussion with you. Working yourself out of poverty is the right way to do it, but some people just aren't in that position. People without qualifications, people who can't get a job that pays more than the minimum wage. Yes, these people will always exist. Unless we demand change.

JazzyJoe:
It's not a dick move, the simple fact that people are working themselves out of poverty or debt is proof against the poor being forced to stay poor.

KharBevNor:
JazzyJoe, what economic class would you say you belonged to?

Sox:
 
--- Quote from: JazzyJoe on 19 Feb 2008, 14:12 ---It's not a dick move, the simple fact that people are working themselves out of poverty or debt is proof against the poor being forced to stay poor.

--- End quote ---

Except for the part where it isn't. It's proof that some people have been in a situation where they are able to work themselves out of debt.
I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm nowhere near informed enough to know whether people are being screwed into poverty or not, but you definitely need more 'proof' than that.
People are certainly forced into poor conditions in developing countries, I don't see why a developed country would be any different. All it takes is a corrupt government.

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