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Berkeley and the Marines
Dissy:
--- Quote from: redglasscurls on 12 Feb 2008, 19:13 ---Recruitment offices aren't exactly innocent though, keep that in mind. If they EVER get a lead, they will hound the person to the end of the earth to try and get a commitment out of them. My sister's boyfriend went to an information session by the Marines at his high school, and the recruiter got a copy of the school's phonebook and called him constantly for the next two years, showed up at his house and after school at the theater, and basically made life hell. They threatened to change phone numbers and bring the police into it and the guys finally backed off.
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That isn't true for all recruitment officers. I went into a recruitment office to get some information for the Marines, cause I was interested in joining. I got the information, I got a free hat, and the first guy I talked to called me once. We talked for a few minutes about the enlisment process, and he informed me that if I had enough college credit, I would be eligible for Officer Training. A few weeks later, another RO called to inform me of times for a pre-enlistment training meeting would happen. I told him, that due to a recent car accident, I was hit while biking to class, I would be unable to enlist at the present time. That was the Last Time I heard form the Marines.
--- Quote from: a pack of wolves on 13 Feb 2008, 00:20 ---
Banning people and institutions a government or council dislikes happens all the time. This ranges from brothels to drug dealers to polluting industries, and just those people governments decide they don't want in their country. Most countries will only allow people to be within their borders for very limited amounts of time on tourist visas and they ban them from remaining longer, and there are vast amounts of the world's population they simply wouldn't allow to enter the country at all. Berkeley has simply done what councils and governments do all the time, which is to decide that this organisation's activities are detrimental to their area and not allowed them to operate there anymore.
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There is a BIG difference between Brothels (a place with sells sex, which is illegal) and the Marine Corp.
This actually brings up the pro-war/anti-war issue. (Just a note, I was against the war back in '03. But now that we are there, I think we need to finish the job, because we will have to go back into Iraq if we pull out.) Most of the people who are against Operation: Iraqi Freedom say that we should not be there because Sadaam and his country never attacked us. Now, going back to last century, let's look at some of the major military operation the US was involved in.
Was the US wrong to join in World War I, just because nobody attacked it?
Should the US enter into a war against Germany in WWII? Remember, Germany never attacked the US prior to them joining the war.
Korea?
What about Vietnam?
Should we have gone into Afghanistan in the '80s?
Kuwait in '91?
Bosnia?
I am by no means pro-war, however, I believe that it is morally good to protect those that others seek to kill and unjustly opress.
KharBevNor:
--- Quote from: Dissy on 13 Feb 2008, 08:04 ---Was the US wrong to join in World War I, just because nobody attacked it?
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The US joined World War One because the German navy attacked US shipping. Besides which, World War 1 was essentially a territorial conflict between the European Great Powers. No side was in any way weak or morally superior/inferior.
--- Quote ---Should the US enter into a war against Germany in WWII? Remember, Germany never attacked the US prior to them joining the war.
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Germany declared war on the US after the US declared war on Japan.
--- Quote ---Korea?
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The US was in Korea as part of a UN force including troops from Australia, Belgium, Canada, Columbia, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, New Zealand, the Phillipines, South Africa, Thailand, Turkey and the UK, and medical staff from Denmark, Italy, Norway and Sweden.
--- Quote ---What about Vietnam?
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No fucking way you should ever have been in Vietnam. Sorry. All you managed to do was prolong a conflict in a country with no connection to you unnecessarily and get hundreds of thousands of people killed for nothing.
--- Quote ---Should we have gone into Afghanistan in the '80s?
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You didn't.
--- Quote ---Kuwait in '91?
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Again, a UN led action. Casus Belli was established by Saddams blatant contravention of international law. A fairly just war, though the sanctions imposed afterwards were inhuman.
--- Quote ---Bosnia?
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UN and NATO action. NATO became involved militarily because Serbian fighters violated the no-fly zone and were engaged by NATO forces. Actual NATO involvement in the conflict was mainly tactical and lasted less than a fifth of the whole span of the war, which was essentially civil.
History is fun. You should try it someday.
redglasscurls:
Khar, you're my favorite
valley_parade:
--- Quote from: KharBevNor on 13 Feb 2008, 08:39 ---The US was in Korea as part of a UN force including troops from Australia, Belgium, Canada, Columbia, Ethiopia, France, Greece, Luxembourg, The Netherlands, New Zealand, the Phillipines, South Africa, Thailand, Turkey and the UK, and medical staff from Denmark, Italy, Norway and Sweden.
History is fun. You should try it someday.
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I learned all of that from watching M*A*S*H.
calenlass:
The things I learned from MASH were... a lot different.
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