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Berkeley and the Marines
Dissy:
--- Quote from: KharBevNor on 13 Feb 2008, 08:39 ---khar's responses
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The UN and NATO don't make a military move without the US spearheading it. Korea? US spearheading. Kuwait? US spearheading.
World War I was not a territorail conflict, it was a simple conflict between two countires that blew up thanks to alliances.
Have you ever heard of a country called French IndoChina? Shortly after WWII, there was an uprising fueled by a small faction fo the Communist party in that country. The US had a small contingent of soldiers there as suport for the French army in the late 50's. It was JFK, the greatest democrat of modern times, that escalated the conflict. It was the US Congress who caused it to become the fuck-up it is now seen as, because they did not allow the military to fight a REAL war. By the Way, French IndoChina is now called Vietnam.
How does a country in the midst of a Civil War band together and defeat one of the World's Superpowers? These people didn't even have proper weapons. How did they win? The US went in, trained them and armed them.
For Bosnia, I want you to tell that to my History professor, who was the commander of a Spec. Ops. group that was in that country from '93 to '96, and they . He stayed with families, barely scrapping by, all over the country.
You're right. History is fun.
Ozymandias:
--- Quote from: Dissy on 13 Feb 2008, 09:31 ---World War I was not a territorail conflict, it was a simple conflict between two countires that blew up thanks to alliances.
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Disagreement. Entangling alliances only works as an explanation to far as to how the lines were drawn. The reality is that most of Europe was itching for a fight and wanted a bigger piece of a pie and the chance to use their new industrialized weaponry. In any case, there was no reason for the US to be in there because no side was correct. They were all assholes.
--- Quote from: Dissy on 13 Feb 2008, 09:31 ---Have you ever heard of a country called French IndoChina? Shortly after WWII, there was an uprising fueled by a small faction fo the Communist party in that country. The US had a small contingent of soldiers there as suport for the French army in the late 50's. It was JFK, the greatest democrat of modern times, that escalated the conflict. It was the US Congress who caused it to become the fuck-up it is now seen as, because they did not allow the military to fight a REAL war. By the Way, French IndoChina is now called Vietnam.
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Uh, I'm pretty sure it would've also been seen as not a fuck-up if there was no US involvement at all. And would be considered horrific if we just razed an entire fucking country because we disagreed with the politics of a rebellious faction.
--- Quote from: Dissy on 13 Feb 2008, 09:31 ---How does a country in the midst of a Civil War band together and defeat one of the World's Superpowers? These people didn't even have proper weapons. How did they win? The US went in, trained them and armed them.
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I thought you were looking for arguments to support military action. Because this action worked out just awesomely.
calenlass:
--- Quote from: Dissy on 13 Feb 2008, 09:31 ---For Bosnia, I want you to tell that to my History professor, who was the commander of a Spec. Ops. group that was in that country from '93 to '96, and they . He stayed with families, barely scrapping by, all over the country.
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I am really confused by this bit. Did you mean to leave the sentence unfinished? Or spell "scraping" with 2 Ps? Also I believe Khar was specifically talking about NATO involvement, technically not the US, although I could be wrong.
Patrick:
--- Quote from: KharBevNor on 13 Feb 2008, 08:39 ---The US was in Korea as part of a UN force including troops from TL;DR EVERYBODY WHO IS NOW IN NATO AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE
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Fix'd
negative creep:
--- Quote from: Dissy on 13 Feb 2008, 08:04 ---There is a BIG difference between Brothels (a place with sells sex, which is illegal) and the Marine Corp
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The difference being that [opinion] I think that brothels are morally acceptable, while the USMC is not. [/opinion]
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