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[mooface]

i go to a private american university in rome, italy.  fashion is very important here.  i really like clothes, and i like dressing up, but there are two kinds of fashionable people who bother me: 

because public universities in italy are free, most of the italians who end up going to my school are rich, spoiled brats.  they all dress head to toe in prada, gucci, dolce & gabbana etc.  they look like shit.  considering how expensive their clothes are it's amazing how their outfits tend to range from lacking any sort of personality to just downright tacky.  i don't get the appeal in wearing things that cost a lot when you just end up looking so bad!  (and i suspect that the reason they look so bad is because they are more concerned by the names they are wearing than they are about simple things like color coordination)

the other kind of people who bother me are the kind who are complete snobs and look down on other people for being unfashionable, but wear the most ridiculous things just because they are "in" that season.  for example:  overall shorts.  they are pretty ridiculous looking.  i mean, i love them, but that's because i love ridiculous things.  there is a girl i know who hated me purely because i did not wear things that were "stylish" (she admitted as much to me).  i saw her wearing these overall shorts and i was really annoyed.  i have a hard time believing she would have worn them if they had not been in fashion at the time.  in fact, they looked pretty silly, and i am positive that if she had seen somebody wearing them a year earlier she would have despised them.  it is great to see people wearing weird and fun things, but not when they are wearing those things purely because they are "cool".  in my opinion, that just completely defeats the purpose and kind of makes you a hypocrite.

however, i really do enjoy fashion magazines and i love seeing stylish people all dressed up!  i just think it's really not necessary to spend a lot of money on labels to look good.  the people who's fashion sense i am most jealous of wear very few/no things by famous designers.  i don't necessarily follow trends, and i like to think i have my own style.  but i do appreciate when certain things become fashionable because they give me new ideas of what to wear, or sometimes things i already liked become "cool" and then it's easier for me to find them!

[KharBevNor]

In what fucking universe is this guy well dressed?

He's wearing clashing colours for a start.

[Liz]

What colors in that outfit clash? The color combinations are definately non-traditional but they still work.

[Nodaisho]

I have to agree with Khar in disliking that outfit, the only one that I saw that I liked out of those three was the last one, and the bright shoes didn't help it.

I am not the most varied in clothing, though, I would be perfectly fine with only having blue and black in my wardrobe, except for my brown coat.

[KharBevNor]

What colors in that outfit clash?

The shirt and the trousers.

[Liz]

Orange and blue are complementary colors, they go well together.

[SeanBateman]

See, Khar, that is why you don't get fashion.


Also, I too get dressed in the morning based on what looks and feels good. I just also consider whether or not the style I am wearing has become to popular, and whether the outfit is too similar to what I wore the day before, and whether or not it's distinct enough to justify wearing, and yadda yadda yadda.

I just really like clothes, guys.

[Liz]

I'm glad to hear that. There are too many people out there that don't give a crap about what they wear, which makes me sad. I had it when I see someone dressed badly that could look so much better with just a few changes to their outfit.

[Jimmy the Squid]

Well pretty much I just wear black. Obviously there will be some colour if I'm wearing a t-shirt with a band design on it but for the most part I'm just wearing black jeans, black boots, black shirts and if it's cold a black jacket (at least i never have to worry if my clothes clash), even at the office I wear either all black or maybe a dark shirt (dark purple or grey). Probably the main problem I have with fashion is the same as Khar's. Why would I want to wear something that only looks "cool" because a certain group of people say it does? If you want to do that that's fine, and if, like Kieffer, you want to take popularity, variety and distinction into account when you put your clothes on in the morning then more power to you but it really isn't for me. I know what I like and generally what is in Fashion is not it. It's not so much that I don't care what I wear, it's that I don't care what other people think I should wear.

Also the dude in the orange pants... As soon as I saw him I choked on my water. If I saw him on the street I would just start laughing. If that's what is fashionable now I'm glad I have nothing to do with it.

[Spluff]

I don't see how you can figure wearing that is worse than going around wearing black. Sure, it's not conventional and it stands out, but it looks good.

[SeanBateman]

See, I would say the dude in the orange pants is the best dressed that I posted, and one of the best that's been posted on that site in a while. The contrast in colors and patterns, unified by small details like the tie, the belt, the whatever he has in his pocket, creates a completely eyecatching look that is still totally distinct from anything you'd typically catch on the street. The point is that he's fashionable because he's pushing boundaries, because he's not just putting together a 'fit that just plays to what is in fashion, but rather has assembled a super classy look out of completely dissimilar items of clothing. It's fuckin baller.


Also, if you think things only look "cool" because people say they are, then you're being kind of ignorant. Everything that is considered cool is considered cool because someone says it is. Cool is a completely socially constructed thing, it doesn't exist in a vacuum, so why does it matter which "certain group of people" call something cool?

[Faker]

Orange and blue are complementary colors, they go well together.

Well I don't see any blue in that outfit; I see a lilac shirt, and a purple jacket with orange trousers.

And I agree with Khar I think it looks ridiculous. I appreciate that the guy is doing something unique and setting himself away from the crowd but that does not necessarily make the outfit attractive. But admittedly I know nothing about fashion, my style, as much as I have one, is fairly run of the mill trainers-jeans-tee shirt, unless I'm wearing a more dressy look for going out whatever.

[Jimmy the Squid]

I'm just saying that to me the guy looks like he only has the vaguest idea of how sane people dress themselves. Seriously, from my point of view which is completely different and separate from anyone else's point of view, the dude looks like a fucking shithead.

[Liz]

Well I don't see any blue in that outfit; I see a lilac shirt, and a purple jacket with orange trousers.

Okay, yes, the shirt is lilac, but the jacket is navy blue. Maybe a blue violet.

Either way I think it looks good.

[Faker]

I'm just saying that to me the guy looks like he only has the vaguest idea of how sane people dress themselves. Seriously, from my point of view which is completely different and separate from anyone else's point of view, the dude looks like a fucking shithead.

Thank you for saying what I was pussy-footing around!

[Patrick]

Orange and blue are complementary colors, they go well together.

How about that belt, which looks fucking terrible with those pants. Two different oranges =/= match

[Jimmy the Squid]

Surprise guys! Taste is subjective!

I totally understand that some people will look at orange pants man and think "wow, that dude is totally on the edge and completely fearless with his fashion! What a totally non-traditional mix of colours, I think that looks cool!" But when I look at that gaudy motherfucker I, like Simon Pegg in Black Books think "Who is this rudderless hippy? [though I guess he's more a mod than anything] How do I get away from him? Does he have a hunting knife strapped to his shin?"

The argument on whether or not we agree on what looks good is silly and will never be finalised because of those fucking orange pants!

[Liz]

How about that belt, which looks fucking terrible with those pants. Two different oranges =/= match

The belt is more of a yellow orange. The two colors are different enough that they don't clash. That's something most people have a problem with- just because two things don't match doesn't mean they don't go together.

[SeanBateman]

The belt is orange on the front, the turquoise is the key to the 'fit.

[Patrick]

The turquoise which you can hardly see because it's hidden by his blazer.

That belt is carrot orange and the pants are bright yam. Either way, it is still orange.

[KharBevNor]

Orange and blue are complementary colors, they go well together.

What part of that outfit is blue?

It looks like two halves of different people. Like when you stick a lego pirates body on a lego spacemans legs or something.

[Lines]

The jacket is navy blue, which she said above and I agree with. And I don't see how you guys think the two oranges clash. One is more yellow and lighter in value (it's mustard yellow) and the other a darker, more saturated orange (that's carrot orange). Yes, they happen to be the brightest aspects of his outfits, but they don't clash. The only thing I don't like about the outfit is that the shirt is lavender. If it were more blue, I think it would be a lot better.

Would less of you have a problem with the outfit if he was wearing pants that matched his blazer? Really though. He'd have a fancy belt, sure, but without the orange pants, his outfit would become much more "traditional" and really would lose quite a bit of the style in that outfit.

[Patrick]

Oh, I'm not saying ditch the pants. The blue and lilac and orange work well together. I just hate the belt because I feel it is a glaring representation of everything I have ever hated about some people's attempts to look cool.

Seriously he couldn't have just gone for a solid turquoise belt?

ITT: Queer Eye for the Straight Guy QC Edition

[Lines]

I happen to like his belt! I would wear it.

[SeanBateman]

Guys I can't even get it up unless the girl knows how to make clashing patterns and colors work, so we might not be able to reach an agreement, here.

[Faker]

God damn it man, this is the Internet we need consensus

[ruyi]

man, i really like that guy's outfit.

[RedLion]

I'm not completely ignorant on style. Despite my desire to just lounge in boxers all day, I wear things that match and compliment each other well, and I use a wide variety of colors.

But my god, that picture of the guy in orange pants...I have no problem with unconventional style, but that outfit is just so garish to my eyes. Honestly, it almost hurts to look at it, like trying to read neon-green text on a white background.

[a pack of wolves]

I don't find it very garish at all myself, the orange trousers are a surprise but that's all. If they were too bright they'd fuck it up but they seem quite muted to me. I like it because it's an outfit that works with his face, he looks like someone who should be wearing a suit pretty much permanently since he's been transplanted from the US in the '50s, but he's found a way to put something together which works with that but throws off your expectations at the same time.

That site and thinking like this just makes me wish I had any kind of clue how to dress well and the money to spend on it if I did.

[Chrasstor]

See, I think the outfit looks cool, I just don't really like the clean-cut look that he's pulling with it. When I put my thumb over his head the suit alone looks freaking pimp.

I'm not really fashionable, I just wear skinny jeans+belt/tight(bandsometimes)tee/wrist-sweat/adidas classics. Don't have much to work with, there's nowhere to get decent clothes around here, so I get the majority my stuff off the net... I can't be arsed to make a bunch of internet orders.

[redglasscurls]

Man, I can't give a damn about clothing right now, because my latest decadency is going FUCKING SKYDIVING

[Nodaisho]

Looking at some of the pictures he has taken, I see why he would like them, but I just don't like bright clothes. The one exception I saw so far was the "American in Paris" one, it looks great just because of how ridiculous it is.

[sean]

Man I do not like that guy's outfit at all. But that's probably because it reminds me of how a lot of guys at my school dress (i go to a private high school) and those guys are pretty much all assholes. So, my opinion is rather biased.

My fashion is basically jeans, chucks, band tee, some hat, and a hoodie. I'm cool.

edit: page break woo!

[onewheelwizzard]

How has this thread talked about fashion for this long without mention of the Vice Do's and Don'ts?

[Nodaisho]

I'm pretty sure it did talk about it, but I am severely underwhelmed by those so far.

[onewheelwizzard]

I hear you, but every now and then there are some real gems.

[Narr]

What the fuck IS an enchilada?

[KharBevNor]

How has this thread talked about fashion for this long without mention of the Vice Do's and Don'ts?

Because this is not hipinion, and we are not Vice magazine reading cocksockets?

Maybe?

I mean seriously, Vice Magazine is like going to a party, and you go outside for a smoke, and you somehow get stuck talking to this absolute wanker in a loud hoody and silly little beard who desperately wants to tell you how much cocaine he has snorted this evening.

[onewheelwizzard]

I can see your point, but my first exposure to the Book of Do's and Don'ts made me laugh until I came close to peeing my pants (and then I ran to the diner bathroom and "for a good tim" was written on the wall which made me laugh even harder) and it's a rare one that makes me laugh out loud nowadays but I still have a soft spot for them.  The enchilada one is priceless no matter what.

[dennis]

I think you guys might just not "get" fashion. The people who do it well aren't the ones who follow the looks in Vogue or Elle or whatever. Firstly, those sell watered down two seasons old looks anyway, you'd be better off with Harpers. Second, well I can't explain it, so everyone go to this website.
...

Is basically art, in my mind. But it's art that every day, they get up and create. They wake up and put together something that works completely perfectly and they can feel good about it, and other people see it and say "oh shit look at that guys outfit" and that is just badass, I guess? I don't know how to explain it, really, but still.

Yeah, I agree with you. Fashion is a dynamic thing, and the people who design and manufacture clothing are necessarily behind the times. Fashion has a currency that requires the synthesis of a lot of diverse phenomena that goes beyond just dressing like someone else. The most fashionable people are creating fashion as they go, perhaps in a pseudo-evolutionary process.

At the same time, that kind of sensibility is rare and for most people, it's all they can do to just look contemporary, much less good.

[dennis]

Also the dude in the orange pants... As soon as I saw him I choked on my water. If I saw him on the street I would just start laughing. If that's what is fashionable now I'm glad I have nothing to do with it.

It's not that orange pants are the fashion, it's that that guy put together the outfit for himself. It might look ridiculous on someone else, and he's certainly taking the chance that he might look ridiculous to some people, but doesn't care.

It depends if you think fashion is a uniform (like you) or if fashion is an art (like Kieffer), but you both agree that what clothes you choose to wear is important to your personality.

[Patrick]

Jackson Pollock can suck my cock and so can Louis Vuitton.

[KharBevNor]

Yeah, I'm not really getting how fashion being art makes a difference. Of course fashion is art. All human creativity is art, so of course that outfit is art. But then again, so is furry porn.

[0bsessions]

I like the turn this thread has taken. The "what crap I spend my money on pissing contest" was kind of boring.

Let me add up my outfit, this is American currency:

T-Shirt: $10 at Kohls
Jeans: $25 at Kohls (You'd be surprised how hard it is to find men's jeans that suit chicken legs combined with an actual ass)
Socks: I'm not even fucking sure, probably like $2 in the grand scheme
Boxers: $6 on sale at Old Navy
Shoes: $35 Vans on sale at Kohls
Watch: $50 at some mall kiosk
Necklace: $20 cheap silver thing from a separate mall kiosk with a guitar pick attached via a small loop earring which cost $2 at the same kiosk
Celtic knot ring: No idea, my mother gave it to me when I moved out about five years ago. Her, my brother and I have matching ones, though I think they've both lost their's.
Jacket: $80 at Wilson's leather liquidation sale (Though it's a birthday present). Rachel didn't like it until she found out it was Guess, which apparently matters. Now it's "growing on her."Fucking label chaser.

Total: $160. This is literally everything on my person at present that is not physically emblazoned onto my skin. Noting that the shoes, watch, necklace, ring and jacket are all things I wear every day (I own two pairs of shoes, that's it), my "interchangeable" ensemble is roughly $43 worth of clothes. I don't have an "eye for fashion" by any means. I couldn't tell you what's bold or what's cutting edge and I definitely can't watch the trends and anticipate what's ever going to be "in." I do know what looks good on me, though. I'm unflinchingly casual in my typical wardrobe and it works for me. I'm always in a T-Shirt and jeans, but I always look good. My style works. I'm also into function to an extent. My Vans are more comfortable than your shoes, and that goes out to everyone in this thread. It's not so much a principle, I'm just cheap and if I can look good without spending half my paycheck, I will.

I'm not one to actually judge folks who follow fashion, though. Most of us have a similar vice. As I mentioned, I'm a techno-geek. I remember a day and age when I worked with cell phones and got into a severe cell phone judgment pattern. I could look at someone and pretty much predict what style phone they'd have. If they had a phone that conflicted their style, I would actually judge it in my head just a wee bit.

[Patrick]

Let's see here.

T-shirt: $20 at T-shirt Orgy in Berkeley
Pants: $20 Levi 501s, bought at Bitburg AFB so they were cheaper
Socks: $5 for a pack of like 6 pairs
Necklace: free at a street fair in Berkeley (and it's my favourite necklace ever)
Slippers: Gifts, I do not want to know how much they were because they're lambskin and wool-lined

Total: $45 from my pocket

[öde]

I mean seriously, Vice Magazine is like going to a party, and you go outside for a smoke, and you somehow get stuck talking to this absolute wanker in a loud hoody and silly little beard who desperately wants to tell you how much cocaine he has snorted this evening.

Even though the guys typing words are complete cockbags I like looking at the vice magazine 'dos and don'ts' because they find some really funkily dressed people.

Also.

Socks: $8
Jeans: $10
Boxers: $20 (for a pack of 4, and they're pretty nice!)
Vest: $6 (probably)

[Liz]

I will break down today's outfit as well.

Sweater: $15 from Old Navy
Tank: $4, also Old Navy
Jeans: $15 from Plato's closet, originally $60 from The Limited
Boots: $8 from Payless
Necklace: $5, Plato's Closet again
Belt: Free (hooray friends!)
Bra/underwear: $15
Socks: Also free (hooray sister!)

So... $62 for an outfit that I must say looks much more expensive. If you add my outerwear that's $7 for the jacket, $1 for the gloves, and $0 for the bag, as it was a gift. But it's from Wilson's leather so it looks real nice.

[michaelicious]

I hear you, but every now and then there are some real gems.

Such as this. And this.

[jhocking]

My boots cost like, £40.

Okay, so $2000 then.

ADDITION: fucking shit this thread has progressed two pages since I last read it

[Lines]

I am not really wearing anything spectacular, but I'll do my best!

Glasses - roughly $300, but these don't count, as I wear them every day and will always be the most expensive thing on my person
Long sleeve T - I got this for free, but I think it's about $20
Tank #1 - Old Navy for $7 (sale!)
Tank #2 - Target for $5 (sale!)
Undergarments - Total around lets say $30
Jeans - Levis that were majorly on sale because the store was closing, $30
Socks - Like...$7? But they were in a pack of 2, so $3.50, I guess
Shoes - my Birkenstock-style clogs were around $25, I guess.
Belt - Probably $15

So, $135ish, if you include the shirt, $115 if you don't.