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Patrick:
Idunno man. Both my parents still think they know everything.
ThePQ4:
Jeez, this thread moved fast...
Anyway, as for the original question (which i believe was what contributes to the generational gap/how do you feel about your parents): I get along really well with my Mom. I've never had any major problems with her, and as far as she's concerned we (As in my siblings and myself) will always be her kids and have a place to stay --she has no probem taking care of us, even when we fuck something up (i.e. my sister dropping out of college and mooching for two years). My Dad on the other hand...Class A-Asshole. I really have no idea whatsoever what my Mom has ever seen in him. She married him when she was 16 and pregnant with my older sister. He's selfish and lazy whereas my mother basically works herself to death working two jobs and is pretty fucking selfless when it comes to her family. I think what really divides my siblings/ne and my parents is just the way that they were raised and their ideals. My Mom's family was fairly religious and tolerant while my Dad's family is conservative farmers...
As for everything else going on in the thread: Yeah, maybe i should keep my sentiment about having kids quiet, but I will share this: I was at work, working an express lane maybe two months after I had started. Well this guy, probably in his early forties with two kids in tow is checking out and he asks, "So do you have kids?" and I say, "I"m not really overly fond of children", being totally honest you know? I get enough of the rugrats at my volunteer job in the summers and people at work --I don't need my own thanks. Well, the guy looks really surprised because apparently you know, women are suposed to just love kids all the friggin' time... Well, his kid does something that's apparently cute as he's leaving, and he's like, "You should rethink that, isn't a face like that worth getting up for every morning?" I think I just raised an eyebrow and my inner thoughts were just like, "Not really..."
And this reminded me of something that I think is really unfair: Why can MEN get a vasectomy if they've never had children but women can't have their tubes tied until they do? That seems grossly unfair and biased doesn't it? I mean I think a woman an legitamently say she doesn't want kids --and you know what? If she changes her mind later in life, friggin' adopt! There are so many kids already in the world with no one love and take care of them. WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP HAVING MORE?! I guess I kind of understand the whole "Well, I MADE this " mentality, but that just seems...I don't know, cruel. Are you really going to shun a homeless little kid with no family? That's just mean.
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--- Quote from: Kid van Pervert on 09 Mar 2008, 21:24 ---And has anybody else noticed themselves becoming gradually more conservative as they get older? Not necessarily in the political sense, but rather in that they start to value stability and certainty more, and don't find themselves getting outraged at every little slight and discrepancy in their lives? Shit, I'm feeling it and I'm only 21.
--- End quote ---
I dunno about this. Yes, I like stability, but I like change, too. Actually, I really really want things to change right now. I'm sick of the point I'm at in my life right now, but I think this is because graduation is looming around the corner and though I like the program I'm in, I'm sick of how the college (not the whole uni, just the college that has my major) treats my program. (This school, for how professional it's supposed to be and how design and architecture have #1 programs in the country, they are really fucking immature and snobby.) And I want to move and also travel and get a "real" job until I decide it's time for further schooling, which may or may not even be out of the country depending on how much money I can save in the next year or so. As long as I'm stable, I see change as a good thing. I'll settle later.
Edit: holy shit, lots o' posts before I could put this up.
Second edit: PQ, I don't know much about tubes being tied, but the internal plumbing of men and women is different. Men help make babies, but they don't actually have babies, so if what you're saying is true, I think that's why. Also, birth control is pretty easy to get when you have health insurance, but when you don't. Also, adoption is really hard, especially if you want a baby. It can take years on a waiting list, even if you want an older kid. Having babies is also instinctual, when you think about it, and also there are a lot of unplanned pregnancies. And also there's all that shit about kids not learning about any form of birth control other than abstinence, which is kind of fucked up.
Wet Helmet, I believe you. I heard a lot of stuff like this from my mom growing up and as I was very observant as a kid, I've also watched other people's lives follow the bell curve because of bad choices they've made. However, I don't think this argument is going to go anywhere, because everyone's life experiences are different. I don't think my bad decisions are NEARLY on par with most of the people I've known in the past 8 years.
A Wet Helmet:
Seriously Obsessions?
I'll concede that I may not have communicated as clearly as possible but accusations of back pedaling? I haven't back pedaled anywhere. I addressed specifically the issue of children getting a 'vote' and I did that by excerpting the part that Barmymoo's post that I disagreed with. That is: The implied belief that a household should be a democracy with majority rule on every issue.
Other than to say I didn't think watching television during dinner is appropriate, I avoided any discussion of the behavior of the "father figure" (for lack of a better term) at all in my original post. I went on in subsequent posts to elaborate.
How are you confused by this? Where is the back pedaling? There isn't any.
Patrick:
Tube tying is entirely reversable, isn't it? Isn't that the idea behind TYING them instead of going snippy snippy?
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