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The most hilarious thing I have ever read in relation to Joss Whedon
morca007:
http://users.livejournal.com/_allecto_/34718.html?view=260510
--- Quote from: From the essay ---This is a really long rant about Joss Whedon's Firefly. Why? Because I'm angry and I think it is really important that feminists don't leave popular culture out of the equation. Especially considering that popular culture is increasingly being influenced by pornography.
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I have become increasingly interested in examining Joss Whedon’s work from a feminist perspective since I had a conversation with another lesbian feminist sister at the International Feminist Summit about whether Joss was a feminist. I am really quite shocked by how readily Joss is accepted as a feminist, and that his works are widely considered to be feminist. I decided to start re-watching Buffy: The Vampire Slayer and also to watch Firefly and the movie Serenity.
I have to say that now that I have subjected myself to the horror that is Firefly, I really am beyond worried about how much men hate us, given that this was written by a man who calls himself a feminist.
I find much of Joss Whedon’s work to be heavily influenced by pornography, and pornographic humour. While I would argue that there are some aspects of Buffy: The Vampire Slayer that are feminist and progressive, there is much that isn’t and I find it highly problematic that there are many very woman-hating messages contained within a show that purports itself as feminism. But Firefly takes misogyny to a new level of terrifying. I am really, really worried that women can call the man who made this show a feminist.
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It's so hard to believe this isn't a joke, and once you get to that point, it's hard not to hate people.
Surgoshan:
There are some women who believe that women taking control of their sexuality is empowering and feminist.
There are others who believe that a woman being portrayed as sexual, regardless of whether she's powerful or in charge of her sexuality or just an object, is pornographic and degrading and anti-feminist.
Butch:
So, according to that person who scribed this, a woman wanting to have any sexual interest is demeaning and pornographic? That is quite the odd take on feminism, having an extremely narrow view of women's freedom of expression.
Edit: Okay, upon combing through the comments on that journal and reading how anyone who thinks she's gone to extremes on her views of sex in Firefly is "pro-prostituion" and their "comments will be deleted," I just want to die inside. How can there be so much hate in one person that anyone having a different opinion is automatically without merit?
Also, how is all sex rape to this user? I'm thinking personal issues have heavily biased her ideas of the world in very damaging ways.
Emaline:
So women should not be sexual at all? Or I guess they should only be sexual when their partners want them to be, right? What about lesbians?
I'm a feminist, and what that person said offended me. As a feminist, I should be allowed to be sexual, when I want.
Also, I saw one or two episodes of Firefly, and it wasn't bad. Plus, if I recall correctly, there was a strong female lead in that show, who fought just as hard as the men in the show.
Ikrik:
Wow. Reading her argument is possibly one of the saddest things I've ever seen in my entire life. But what's better is if you read the comments on the bottom and her replies to them. Remember one thing, this woman is a self described "radical feminist." This is a woman who could and WILL find ANYTHING she finds offensive as sexist. Her arguments are founded not in her ignorance, but in her blind anger. Her analysis of the characters is ridicilous. What she wants is a cast that respects and works with each other. What creates a great show is a cast that CLASHES, not a cast that overcomes everything together. Honestly, I was so confused by this woman that I read some more of her livejournal....god. This woman is so angrily feminist it's disgusting, seriously, read some of this shit. This is a woman who will hate any man for the simple reason that "he's a man." I wonder if she understood that Firefly is a "Space WESTERN." god....
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