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The most hilarious thing I have ever read in relation to Joss Whedon
muteKi:
Well, somebody's paranoid.
EDIT: I didn't find it funny until I read this comment of hers, stuff I found funny in bold and red:
--- Quote ---Hmm... Considering I watched the whole series twice, read through every single script, read through Serenity about five times, counted the lines that men spoke and women spoke, then worked for about three weeks trying to write this I think it is interesting that you call me lazy. But anyways, courtesan is just another name for a woman in prostitution. I don't distinguish between women who are bought by men as sex and other 'feminine' resources. If you do, and you think that there is a nice way for men to buy women as sex, that there is an empowered way that women can sell themselves as sex then my journal is the wrong place for you. If you are pro-prostitution then you are not a feminist and pro-prostitution/women-hating opionions are not welcome on my journal. All prostitution is rape. The men who buy Inara ARE selling her into sexual slavery. For the time that they buy her she is 'theirs'.
I will be talking more about all of the characters. I was particularly concentrating on Serenity in this post. And Mal and Jayne's relationship definitely begs for a feminist examination.
Oh, and any more pro-prostituion comments will be deleted.
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Paranoid
EDIT 2: Also, this
--- Quote ---I believe in the radical feminist definition of rape. That is that men who pressure women into sex are rapists. That women who are pressured are not freely consenting and are therefore being raped. There have been a few discussions recently in the rad fem blogosphere debating whether all male initiated sex is rape, given that women are politically, socially and economically subordinate to men. So, in my understanding of Joss Whedon as a rapist is hinges on my definition of rape. I would argue that most 'sex' between men and women, in the contemporary 'sex-positive', pornographic, male-supremacist culture, is rape.
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Paranoid... and delusional? I don't feel that either the sweeping generalization and especially not the idea that springs forth from it are necessarily valid. Honestly, women have to have some responsibility for their own decisions, otherwise they're digging their own grave!
Ikrik:
--- Quote from: muteKi on 26 Mar 2008, 20:22 ---Well, somebody's paranoid.
EDIT: I didn't find it funny until I read this comment of hers, stuff I found funny in bold and red:
--- Quote ---Hmm... Considering I watched the whole series twice, read through every single script, read through Serenity about five times, counted the lines that men spoke and women spoke, then worked for about three weeks trying to write this I think it is interesting that you call me lazy. But anyways, courtesan is just another name for a woman in prostitution. I don't distinguish between women who are bought by men as sex and other 'feminine' resources. If you do, and you think that there is a nice way for men to buy women as sex, that there is an empowered way that women can sell themselves as sex then my journal is the wrong place for you. If you are pro-prostitution then you are not a feminist and pro-prostitution/women-hating opionions are not welcome on my journal. All prostitution is rape. The men who buy Inara ARE selling her into sexual slavery. For the time that they buy her she is 'theirs'.
I will be talking more about all of the characters. I was particularly concentrating on Serenity in this post. And Mal and Jayne's relationship definitely begs for a feminist examination.
Oh, and any more pro-prostituion comments will be deleted.
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Paranoid
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Paranoid? Or lying completely through her teeth to make it seem like she knows what she's talking about? If she hated the show this much she wouldn't have watched it so many times.
muteKi:
THIS GETS BETTER AND BETTER!
--- Quote ---Yeah, And I think another problem is what type of strength, where the strength comes from and what the strength is being used for. For example, Zoe's 'strength' is physical and violent. Now that is a male view of strength according to me. I love seeing women with physical strength. Women in the trades, handy lesbian women who can use drills, women who have strength from the work of child-rearing. But I have serious problems with the male view that physical strength is measured by the capacity for violence. So that is a major problem I have with Zoe's character. Every black woman I have ever met has abhorred violence. The black feminist books I read are very anti-violence. How can showing a black woman being violent be feminism? Zoe's strength, her capacity for physical violence is not being used for any kind of good. First she is fighting a war (and I believe that no war is good), then she is stealing things and committing crime under the orders of Mal and usually against her will. Her strength is not being used in self-defense, for protection or anything really justifiable, her strength is being used for gain, not even her own gain, but gain for Mal. I can't see this as being feminism either.
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LOL ALL MEN ARE BAD AND WANT TO KILL YOU IN YOUR SLEEP AND THEN HAVE SEX WITH YOU LOL!!
Jackie Blue:
When Firefly is a shining example of oppressive male culture and female subservience, it is perhaps time to step back and re-evaluate your priorities.
Shit, the women in Firefly were usually more bad-ass than the men!
Nodaisho:
I can't say I ever saw Zoe do a quick-draw eyeshot after having just ridden at a gallop without breaking stride, but I never saw her being stupid played for comedy either, so it balances out. And of course, River shot three guys with her eyes shut.
As to her definition of rape... Someone needs to beat this woman with a dictionary. Seriously.
People this stupid piss me off because they give me conflicting conclusions with my morals. One one side, people should be free to say what they want, on the other, people shouldn't be free to be so goddamn stupid. Times were they wouldn't be that stupid, because if they were, they were wolf chow. Now we put safety messages on big wheels saying not to ride them on the freeway.
When does Zoe object to doing crime?
Is anyone going to troll this stupid bastard? I would say bitch, but that would be sexist... Not that I at all advocate the haranguing of someone simply for being stupid, wrong-headed, and offensive. For the record.
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