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The Amateur Recording Thread
« on: 21 Apr 2008, 19:49 »

My recording rig is admittedly very amateur. I have an old Kustom VIII PA rack mixer that I won off of eBay a few months ago. Eight channels, no trim pots, no phantom power. I have three cheapo dynamic mics (and five more on the way from yes, eBay), and I run the mixer into my computer through a Behringer USB audio interface into my laptop. Somehow, it works- I had one mic positioned near the drum kit, one pointed near the guitar and keyboard amp and one on the bass amp and it was deliciously lo-fi.

Anyone here with recording equipment better than mine (as is most likely the case)?
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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #1 on: 21 Apr 2008, 20:15 »

Well a band I'm involved in wants to attempt to record some music, but we have no understanding of how exactly to go about the whole thing.  Any tips?
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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #2 on: 21 Apr 2008, 23:45 »

Well, the way I set out on doing cheap recording is as follows:

First off, You'll need a good assortment of stuff, the main things being:
-A mixing console
-However many microphones you think you need
-Enough accessories (stands and cables) to hook everything up
-A recording medium (your laptop, or a boombox, or better yet a reel-to-reel tape machine, or the L'Oreal Group Awareness Bugatti)
eBay is your friend (or mine, personally), so try to find good deals on stuff. Depending on how you intend to record, what you'll want to look for will vary.

If you're recording one thing at a time:
-A mixing console with anywhere from two to four inputs with XLR jacks (phantom power if at all possible)
-Enough mics to record a drum kit (at the very least, two small-diaphragm condensers for overheads and one dynamic mic for the kick should be just fine, another for the snare might be helpful)
-A good set of headphones.
Thus, when you record, you'll most likely start off with the drums, then record everything else one at a time over it.

Pros: Cheap, don't need to deal with as much gear.
Cons: Potentially more time-consuming, potential loss of a "live" feel to the music, depending on the latency of your sound card, time skips may occur when recording over old tracks, leaving them a little out of time with the other

If you're recording as much as possible as live as possible:
-A mixing console with anywhere from six to eight inputs with XLR jacks (phantom power if at all possible)
-Enough mics to record a drum kit and the rest of the band (most likely as much as your mixer will hold)

Pros: Potentially less time-consuming, "live" feel is retained
Cons: Potentially not as cheap, more time-consuming if your band isn't rehearsed, have to deal with more gear

In any case, what I've just said should be looked at as a primer for the long road of recording, and there's a lot of ways to go about it (this way being very cheap and lo-fi). This is pretty much just the bare bones of what you may deal with, so leave some room to experiment with how you record stuff. Hope this helps!
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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #3 on: 22 Apr 2008, 00:31 »

So far, every recording I've made that was worth listening to at all was made on my iBook G4 (GarageBand fuck yeahhh) with a 9v-powered condenser mic and the iMic USB interface. It's a sucky way to have to record things, because you have to do it all one at a time and you have to be careful to not overdrive the mic (all the time, man, all the fucking time), but if you do it right, you can really get some rockin' stuff out of it.
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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #4 on: 22 Apr 2008, 03:47 »

My recording rig is quite as follows:

Guitar ('96 Epi Firebird) -> Marshall Guv'Nor 2 (or Digitech RP50) -> amps (Marshall and Peavey 15 watt combos) -> Internal mic on MacBook -> GarageBand.

It's really rather haggard, but I don't have the money to get an SM57.
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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #5 on: 22 Apr 2008, 05:11 »

You know dude, just 'cause the SM58 is a vocal mic doesn't mean you can't use yours for instruments too. In fact, it's very good if you want to stick the mic a good distance away from the amp. Slightly different sound.
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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #6 on: 22 Apr 2008, 06:14 »

So here's what I used in the past:

For mics I used a bunch of Sennheiser e835s and a Radio Shack PZM (small floor mic). The e835 is a really great sounding mic, better than the SM58 in my opinion. Also, from what I've read, Robert Schneider used the PZM for drums on many of his recordings, so that's what I have used in the past for drum mics. Just one in the right location, and it sounds really nice. Since most of the time I'm recording it's just two people, it's never been a big hassle to mic everything.

For the mixing board, I had a cheap Berhinger mixing board that just went directly into the computer's audio jack, and then used Audacity to mix. On an older computer I had Cubase and loved it, but it's been long dead.

The quality of recordings were pretty good, they were just very quiet. It was definitely using a crappy computer sound card that caused a lot of these problems.

So this week I just got a USB recording interface with Cubase for less than $150. Hopefully it doesn't completely suck. I will let you know. I am really having trouble trying to figure out how to keep the drums from bleeding into all of the other mics, though. Since the USB will record each audio input as a separate track, it will make life a lot easier; but it's going to be a hassle to try and sort out how to keep the mics from picking up other sound signals in the room...
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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #7 on: 22 Apr 2008, 07:22 »

My recording equipment = MacBook Pro....
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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #8 on: 22 Apr 2008, 08:00 »

This is what I use:



And Audacity.

Oh yeah!
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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #9 on: 22 Apr 2008, 08:13 »

You know dude, just 'cause the SM58 is a vocal mic doesn't mean you can't use yours for instruments too. In fact, it's very good if you want to stick the mic a good distance away from the amp. Slightly different sound.

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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #10 on: 22 Apr 2008, 11:02 »

seriously, SM57/SM58 is the best thing that can possibly happen to you.  i would be hard pressed to think of a record that DOESN'T have a 57 on it.

Seriously.

Also, i probably shouldn't be posting here, seeing as how i'm technically a pro, but playing around with where you put mics makes a HUGE HUGE difference.  Given the luxury, i spend 15-20 mins playing with positioning before hitting record.

(and for anybody interested, my rig is Pro Tools LE with 003 on a MacBook Pro, with a variety of soft synths.  Go electronic bleeps and bloops.  Non electronic noises go in through a Senn. e835 or direct.)
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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #11 on: 22 Apr 2008, 11:37 »

Ask Steve Albini. Check his mic database on his studio's site and it's evident that he swears by anything BUT SM57/58s.
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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #12 on: 22 Apr 2008, 11:45 »

Ask Steve Albini. Check his mic database on his studio's site and it's evident that he swears by anything BUT SM57/58s.

Doesn't surprise me at all!


Speaking of cheap mics, my next gear purchase is definitely going to be a Cascade Fat Head.  Man, those suckers are KILLER on guitar, and cheap as hell for a ribbon.  (they run about $160 with the stock transformer most places)  Anybody interested in investing in some gear for the longer term should definitely check them out.
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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #13 on: 22 Apr 2008, 11:48 »

Hmm, I was debating a ribbon mic to buy, and was considering the Electro Harmonix one... I think you just convinced me otherwise.
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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #14 on: 22 Apr 2008, 12:23 »

Hmm, I was debating a ribbon mic to buy, and was considering the Electro Harmonix one... I think you just convinced me otherwise.

I'd say it's definitely the way to go.  A lot of big engineers i know are using them, some almost exclusively for electric guitars.  Joe Costa (works w/ Ben Folds, for one) turned me on to them.  I'm also convincing myself to get one while they're cheap :)
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Re: The Amateur Recording Thread
« Reply #15 on: 22 Apr 2008, 12:41 »

I use a Samson C01U USB Studio Condenser that for some fucking infuriating reason records stereo but is heavily panned to the left. Pain in the ass, I tell you.
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