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The Great Porn Debate
Dimmukane:
I took it up to a friend's house and we only got halfway through because of the terrible lines. That, and this really obnoxious girl (also unfortunately ugly) whom no one invited decided to let everyone know how horny she was every 5 minutes, so we gave up and watched Ong-Bak instead to shut her up.
tania:
is that the film where the dude beats up another dude with his knees
Jimmy the Squid:
And elbows.
Tom:
--- Quote from: Kid van Pervert on 24 Apr 2008, 18:11 ---Oh, there are lots of art films with actual fuckin' in them. I think the Dreamers was one of them, but I'm not entirely sure about that.
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Before the Devil Knows You're Dead is all LOL BUTTSECKS at the start but there is no visible "penetration".
Jimmy the Squid:
--- Quote from: Darkbluerabbit on 24 Apr 2008, 08:36 ---
--- Quote from: Anyways on 24 Apr 2008, 05:59 ---So I guess "rape simulation" or "rape roleplay" would more precise terms, given that the basic idea isn't actually being raped, but pretending to be?
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According to Masters and Johnson, womens' rape fantasies have a lot to do with guilt. The theory is that even in today's society, some women are still ashamed of their sexuality. Subconsciously, by fantasizing about themselves in the role of a victim, they don't have to feel "dirty" for having sex.
It's just a theory, of course, and I read it in an older book. It puts an interesting perspective on the matter though.
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This theory doesn't really surprise me all that much. Consider that even in a modern, Western society where people are supposedy free there is still an extremely sex-negative culture. A lot of this stems from religion, many of which out and out decry any sexual behaviour that isn't 1) within a church sanctioned marriage and 2) in the missionary position. There is still the double standard that males are expected to be "promiscuous", have a wealth of sexual experience by the time they are married or at the very least there is more of a tolerance for male sexual behaviour whereas females are expected to have no sexual desire until after marriage and even then it is to be limited to procreative sex only. This is pretty obvious in the media where even in shows like Scrubs there are lines like "Oh my god, I can't believe you're getting married! Just think, you'll only have to have sex when you actually want to!" To me this line says a lot about the assumption that women do not actually enjoy sex for pretty much most of the time. It's particularly visible among teenagers and younger adults with the double standard of the male "player" and the female equivalent "slut" (neither of which I particularly agree with).
Rape fantasies however are just fantasies of sexual domination/submission. They may take the form of roleplaying dominative or forceful sex but, as has been mentioned above, they are not actual rapings because obviously there is no real loss of control on the part of the person being "raped." I do agree that simply calling them rape fantasies does trivialise the experiences of rape victims, however arguments of semantics are, all in all, a bit pointless.
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