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The Great Porn Debate
E. Spaceman:
Regarding films with actual boning, there are quite a few, depending on hat you mean by actual boning.
Most of the ones i've seen lately are unfathomably bad hough. Ken Park had a lot of sex and it is the biggest piece of shit movie i have ever seen, including several "so bad it's good but actually it is so crap" and "Dune".
20 jazz funk greats:
--- Quote from: Jimmy the Squid on 24 Apr 2008, 19:57 ---Rape fantasies however are just fantasies of sexual domination/submission. They may take the form of roleplaying dominative or forceful sex but, as has been mentioned above, they are not actual rapings because obviously there is no real loss of control on the part of the person being "raped." I do agree that simply calling them rape fantasies does trivialise the experiences of rape victims, however arguments of semantics are, all in all, a bit pointless.
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errrrr, there is more to rape fantasies than wanting to be sexually submissive.
rape roleplay is about FORCING someone into submission, and simulating a real loss of control.
i mean, obviously that is a hard thing to act out but it's possible.
does this masters and johnson theory have anything to say about MEN that fantasize about getting raped?
it's all hurrrr women do not feel comfortable with their sexual desires and therefore want to reinforce their own feelings of guilt about them hurrr.
seems a bit outdated to me. but hey, what do i know, i'm a girl, and that clearly indicates i don't like non-procreative sex. :roll:
Jimmy the Squid:
No you are right there is more to it then just domination/submission but at its core that's what the rape fantasy is albeit taken to a rather extreme level.
However it cannot truly be forcing someone into anything if they want to be forced. And considering that I've gone out with a girl who has rape fantasies I can say, in at least that one case, there is no actual loss of control. The situation is proscribed to a significant degree by the submissive individual (especially when the dominator is pretty uncomfortable about the whole thing) beforehand with rules in place that put the submissive individual in a position of complete control under a thin veneer of helplessness.
Basically, SEX IS A LIE!
jhocking:
--- Quote from: BrittanyMarie on 24 Apr 2008, 17:57 ---I didn't realize there was an R rated one and a Not Rated one. My store and probably that Blockbuster both carry the R verson. In most of the other softcore ones we have, they're just pretending to do it.
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Oh I didn't think of that. I actually knew that's pretty common, for porn makers to cut a softcore version of the film too, but I forgot. I remember reading an interview with a porn editor. He explained that while filming porns they also film special camera angles to use in the softcore edit, where the penetration is blocked by a plant or something.
20 jazz funk greats:
--- Quote from: Jimmy the Squid on 24 Apr 2008, 20:45 ---No you are right there is more to it then just domination/submission but at its core that's what the rape fantasy is albeit taken to a rather extreme level.
However it cannot truly be forcing someone into anything if they want to be forced. And considering that I've gone out with a girl who has rape fantasies I can say, in at least that one case, there is no actual loss of control. The situation is proscribed to a significant degree by the submissive individual (especially when the dominator is pretty uncomfortable about the whole thing) beforehand with rules in place that put the submissive individual in a position of complete control under a thin veneer of helplessness.
Basically, SEX IS A LIE!
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i know i know.
from personal experience, not the internet.
in fact it can be argued that the submissive always has more control than the dominant because they are the ones that can stop the scene at any time but i will not get into that argument here. not yet, anyway.
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