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The Great Porn Debate
Darkbluerabbit:
I suppose the fact that someone made "A Clockwork Orgy" didn't help.
Fenriswolf:
--- Quote from: Ozymandias on 01 May 2008, 00:49 ---How far does that extend? Do you ban Deliverance? How about A Clockwork Orange? How about I Spit on Your Grave? At what point do you draw the line and say "this is what should be banned, this is porn, not something people should watch"?
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I'm talking about in porn, not for dramatic effect.
Frankly Clockwork Orange the movie (as opposed to the book) made me really uncomfortable but I wouldn't ban it. Hell, The Hills Have Eyes really pisses me off (zombies! Plus rape! Yay!) but I still wouldn't ban it. I'm very anti-censorship.
BUT I would happily ban rape in porn. Non-consensual acts or acts displayed as non-consensual. Women and men both can be tied up and beaten and fucked and have it still be consensual. I really don't think it's a grey area at all - though truly, plenty of people on both sides want to make it a grey area.
öde:
Despite being 'anti-censorship' your argument for banning it isn't really an argument, but your opinion. Rape can basically be replaced with any kind of sexual act(s), or anything really. You're perfectly welcome to this opinion, and I can imagine legitimate reasoning behind it, but all I'm seeing is 'I don't like it and I'd like it banned' .
--- Quote ---BUT I would happily ban homosexuality in porn. Homosexual acts or acts displayed as homosexual. Women and men both can be screwed in the ass and have it still be straight. I really don't think it's a grey area at all - though truly, plenty of people on both sides want to make it a grey area.
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Have you seen the rape scene in Irreversible? If so, what do you think of that?
Fenriswolf:
What's only my opinion? I haven't actually made an argument, just said I'd happily ban it. My argument is that the only circumstances in which rape fantasies are acceptable is in private, and that it does not translate to film. And no, I do not buy the idea that men (or women) who fantasise about perpetrating rape can use porn as an outlet. True, my argument is simply an opinion, but I haven't seen any arguments that are anything but opinion.
No, I haven't seen Irreversible but again I am talking about the pornography genre only. Finally, your argument that it could be replaced by any sexual act sounds remarkably similar to the argument that making homosexual marriage legal leads to bestiality and pedophilia becoming legal. We should be able to be discretionary, we can't always cater to the lowest common denominator.
Slick:
The point was that you hadn't made an argument, not that you were wrong. We know going to homosexuality there is absurd, that's the point. You haven't explained why rape in porn is bad, just said you don't like it, and we all know there are people who don't like homosexuals.
You've also said that you think rape fantasies are only acceptable in private, but you still haven't said why, which is crucial to discussion. Why should we be allowed discretion, why is rape worse/better than a dude doing a dude up the bum?
For example, I would consider supporting a ban on rape in porn because, besides my personal view that it's deplorable and degrading, I believe that seeing rape in such a context can give it some validity in the mind of a someone viewing, and could make it easier for such a person to later rationalize rape when they see someone they want but can't have.
That's something of an argument as to why rape porn is a negative influence on society to a degree where it might need to be banned.
A bunch of people stating opinions is kind of lame, we need to know why you feel the way you do for anything interesting to come of discourse. Opinions should have some thought process behind them.
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