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The Great Porn Debate
muteKi:
1. Continuing on Lez porn: the stuff I usually look at is on the goofy side. The first half of one video that I actually bothered to watch was just all the girls playing around, like one very sexy farce. I thought it was brilliant.
2. In regards to the post above me, that actually makes some sense, then; I was in the boat of the others with the idea of a "rape fantasy", that it made little to no sense. [Of course I just want my sex to be sex, none of this leather or metal or other bullshit, so I can't really say much on any fetishes.]
ruyi:
I think your italicized examples are a moot point because sex is a thing typically fantasized about.
Anyways, I agree that the term "rape fantasy" is generally used incorrectly. Such fantasies are typically related to domination fantasies in general, and they typically 1) involve the dominator being someone the subject finds attractive and desirable, and the subject 2) ends up deriving pleasure from the fantasized scenario. Now, this isn't so hard to imagine, is it? But you're right, it's never really rape at all by virtue of the fact that they want it.
As for why this happens, I don't know. Maybe people, whether or not they have experienced rape in the past, are trying to rehabilitate a thing often sensationalized in society. Even though the fantasy described is not truly rape, perhaps this desire to rehabilitate it is why the term gets applied?
Legitimate "rape fantasies" should only apply to the small number of people who respond to trauma from rape by having unwanted thoughts they do not enjoy.
tania:
--- Quote from: tommydski on 24 Apr 2008, 07:57 ---I've seen that DVD at Tania's house.
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that dvd actually belongs to my creepy pervert lesbian housemates. i got about halfway through actually before coming across (surprise!) a scene depicting one of the girls sort of raping another girl and then halfway through she started to like it and i decided that was just about enough for me.
which brings me to my point about how most sex offenders usually try to justify their actions by claiming that if you're really persistent the girl will just start to enjoy the sex halfway through. it's really common for these people to actually say "i didn't do anything wrong, she was really enjoying it" despite the fact that the girl was saying no the entire time. it can sometimes be really fucking hard to separate physical and emotional arousal when it comes to sex. basically any guy or girl who has not actually wanted to have sex at a certain given time but is still really physically aroused for some reason can probably attest to that. and it's unfortunate, because often the women who report the most trauma from being raped are the ones who orgasm during the experience. i can't imagine anything that would leave you feeling more fucked up and powerless than that. maybe guys really like the idea of rape fantasies because they think if you're really persistent and forceful the girl will just give up and start to like it halfway through, but i guess what they don't get is that it really is possible to physically respond to sex and at the same time find the experience completely horrible.
tania:
ew!
BrittanyMarie:
--- Quote from: jhocking on 24 Apr 2008, 07:31 ---My fiancee and I once saw it on the "New Releases" rack in a Blockbuster. I don't know if the clerks did it on purpose as a joke, or if they genuinely didn't realize they were stocking a porn.
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It's technically not a porn. Well, it is, but it's softcore, which is totally legal in most states. There's no penetration, see. The video store I work at has a ton on of newer playboy releases, which are just naked ladies bouncing around. We get a lot of phone calls asking if we carry porn, and it's incredibly awkward trying to describe the difference in a sort of roundabout way, because saying "there's no penetration" at work just seems wrong.
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