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20 jazz funk greats:

--- Quote from: tommydski on 24 Apr 2008, 10:21 ---
--- Quote from: ruyi on 24 Apr 2008, 10:10 ---I think your italicized examples are a moot point because sex is a thing typically fantasized about.
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That's sort of my point. I was being deliberately ridiculous but the point remains rape is not a thing typically fantasised about either. Not by most women anyway.

There probably have been people who fantasise about all of the above for whatever reason but there are in an absolute, absolute minority.

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not the most common fantasy (rape, not being dominated or sex with strangers since some of you seem a bit confused about that), but it may be slightly more common than you think.
it's just not the sort of thing that most people would openly admit, cause of the feelings of guilt and such associated with it.
and not only women fantasize about getting raped.

jhocking:

--- Quote from: tommydski on 24 Apr 2008, 09:45 ---To clarify for Joe Hocking - I think it's dangerous for any male to believe that a woman might secretly want him to rape her.

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I don't know if you were teasing, but that's actually a helpful clarification. I was wondering why you seemed to have such a problem with the concept of rape fantasies; so it's not so much the fantasy in and of itself you find problematic, but rather people who would use that to justify actual rape. I'm wondering why you brought this up since I didn't notice anyone suggesting rape is ok (read: I didn't see that post) but assuming your tangent is relevant, I certainly agree that the existence of rape fantasies does not in any way excuse rape.

As ruyi pointed out, those examples you gave aren't great because they have nothing to do with sexual fantasies, so how about this example: Does the fact that some men have a cuckold fetish make it okay for a wife to cheat on her husband?


ADDITION: oh wait, thinking about it more, is your actual point that one problem with porn is that it makes men think rape fantasies are common? Because that is both relevant to the thread and something I wouldn't have considered.



--- Quote from: BrittanyMarie on 24 Apr 2008, 10:37 ---It's technically not a porn. Well, it is, but it's softcore, which is totally legal in most states. There's no penetration, see. The video store I work at has a ton on of newer playboy releases, which are just naked ladies bouncing around. We get a lot of phone calls asking if we carry porn, and it's incredibly awkward trying to describe the difference in a sort of roundabout way, because saying "there's no penetration" at work just seems wrong.

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I've watched a little of that movie (after katie's enthusiastic post I kinda wish I watched the end, but oh well) and if that's considered "softcore" well damn.

tania:

--- Quote from: 20 jazz funk greats on 24 Apr 2008, 10:38 ---it may be slightly more common than you think
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but would those women still have those kinds of fantasies if rape/aggression towards women wasn't so commonly portrayed in porn in the first place? people are influenced by what they watch.

20 jazz funk greats:
rape fantasies typically originate from past experience, not media influence.
if many women have a problem with violent and degrading porn, they are not going to keep watching the stuff until they start to enjoy it on some subconscious level. they will either find porn that doesn't offend them, or give up on it entirely.

20 jazz funk greats:

--- Quote from: jhocking on 24 Apr 2008, 10:46 --- Does the fact that some men have a cuckold fetish make it okay for a wife to cheat on her husband?

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if he encourages his wife to have sex with other people and she agrees that this is a good idea, and they decide to make this part of their sex life, what is not okay?
if they have discussed this and outlined rules for it, and both of them stick to said rules, how is that cheating?
he is all hurrr hurr my wife is hot hurr and she is all "sexually liberated" and such.
it's a lifestyle. not one i approve of (in fact i find it kind of repulsive) but nevertheless...

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