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StaedlerMars:
--- Quote from: 3Z3VH on 06 May 2008, 19:34 ---and don't mind beating your head against a wall to get the simplest of computer functions running
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Here I believe you are mistaken. All the simplest computer functions already come with Ubuntu. Scrolling the mouse wheel? I've never had that problem. You must be using one weird mouse. Installing a new program on Ubuntu is as easy as double clicking on it. Which it actually is. Everything that is available to instal on Ubuntu has been tested to work specifically on that OS. Also, you seem to be living under the illusion that most people use the computer for gaming or with very intensive programs. This isn't true. Most people use a computer for just what you claimed. That's access to the Internet or listening to music or watching movies. Ubuntu works perfectly for this. In fact, Amarok is one of the best music players I know, and it isn't available for Windows. I think the only people who don't use their computers for only these functions are graphic designers, hardcore gamers, and uh... that's it? As far as I know, 80% of the people I know don't need more out of an OS than what Ubuntu has to offer.
Also, assuming everyone has high speed computers that should be able to run Vista is another mistake. If Microsoft says that all computers on the market can run it, but they can't than they're misadvertising. They're also cutting out all those people who can't afford a new computer every three years.
I have two computers that are combined at least 15 years old, running the newest Mandriva, and run as fast as a low end PC with Vista these days. Saying that we're kidding ourselves by recommending Linux is kidding yourself. It's cheaper, and for most people will do the job just fine. It also means you get to keep your old computer instead of having to go to the store every few years for a new one.
0bsessions:
FYI, an OEM OS can be sold with ANY hardware. I remember buying XP with a set of thumb screws. If you just toss it in with something else you need hardware wise, you'll save a considerable amount (Somewhere in the neighborhood of 50%).
3Z3VH:
--- Quote from: StaedlerMars on 07 May 2008, 03:42 ---
--- Quote from: 3Z3VH on 06 May 2008, 19:34 ---and don't mind beating your head against a wall to get the simplest of computer functions running
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Here I believe you are mistaken. All the simplest computer functions already come with Ubuntu. Scrolling the mouse wheel? I've never had that problem. You must be using one weird mouse. Installing a new program on Ubuntu is as easy as double clicking on it. Which it actually is. Everything that is available to instal on Ubuntu has been tested to work specifically on that OS. Also, you seem to be living under the illusion that most people use the computer for gaming or with very intensive programs. This isn't true. Most people use a computer for just what you claimed. That's access to the Internet or listening to music or watching movies. Ubuntu works perfectly for this. In fact, Amarok is one of the best music players I know, and it isn't available for Windows. I think the only people who don't use their computers for only these functions are graphic designers, hardcore gamers, and uh... that's it? As far as I know, 80% of the people I know don't need more out of an OS than what Ubuntu has to offer.
Also, assuming everyone has high speed computers that should be able to run Vista is another mistake. If Microsoft says that all computers on the market can run it, but they can't than they're misadvertising. They're also cutting out all those people who can't afford a new computer every three years.
I have two computers that are combined at least 15 years old, running the newest Mandriva, and run as fast as a low end PC with Vista these days. Saying that we're kidding ourselves by recommending Linux is kidding yourself. It's cheaper, and for most people will do the job just fine. It also means you get to keep your old computer instead of having to go to the store every few years for a new one.
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Ok...
We will go with a few things that are second nature to Macintosh and Windows... how about some personal finance software that lets you e-file taxes ? Perhaps something to edit your home videos and burn them to a DVD ? Ok, now that you thought of a couple, how many are easy to use, and don't crash constantly ? Both of these types of software are the main reason some people buy computers that aren't high-end gaming machines. Now, when buying a computer, would you rather have one that the software available for it installs easily, works properly, and does not require intense computer knowledge before using it ?
On the topic of MP3 players... Amarok can't even play MP3s over a Samba share. This is something iTunes and Windows Media Player have done for years, and now have improved upon by allowing you to create and share libraries over the network without knowing anything about networking, creating file shares, dealing with file permissions, or anything else a non-computer geek would know.
I never assumed anyone had any powerful computers. I stated that both XP and Vista are fine, and that if you feel the overhead is justified for the pretty features in Vista, go Vista, if not, stay on XP. And XP still runs on my 900MHz Pentium 3, and can run anything that doesn't involve gaming or full motion video. I use it as a Ventrillo/Music/Webcam/Internet box without any issues (I even use it to e-file my taxes from Quicken !) There is no reason people HAVE to upgrade OSes if they need to stay with an old computer. Of the things Ubuntu can do... how many can NOT be done by Windows 2000 (8 year old software) ? As I said.. Linux is VERY good at doing very specialized tasks, but as a broad brush to do all the things people know computers can do, it falls way short as a Desktop OS. If you truly need nothing more out of your computer than what it currently does, then there is no reason to go buy a new computer, and there is ALSO no reason to get a new OS. People get new OSes because they want to use newer software, and do things that only newer PCs can do... many of which Ubuntu can not do.
Jiggsy:
--- Quote from: 0bsessions on 03 May 2008, 16:55 ---Compared to XP's initial instances, Vista is a fucking godsend.
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Thankyou. I've had Vista since about a month after it came out in Australia, and my biggest problem with it isn't even Micro$oft's fault... Yeah, it starts to get a bit slow when your hard drive's full, and you're running 18 programs, and yeah, some games run faster under XP, but it's all the little things that are so confusing when you start out (the navigation bars) that i've grown to love the most... Especially when any Vista-Illiterate people try and use my computer...
[EDIT] Just realised i didn't explain what my biggest problem is with Vista... Australian Digital TV Networks don't allow Micro$oft to access their EPG databases, and Media Centre won't display them out of the box.. there are a few workarounds around this, but with wireless entworks, firewalls, and antivirus software, it gets a bit tedious trying to update them, which makes recording shows slightly trickier...
est:
He calls them "Micro$oft" because they like money.
I get it.
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