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Weird vista problem
« on: 03 May 2008, 11:20 »

My friend asked me to take a look at her vista computer because it would not connect to the Internet.  After playing within
for a bit I found that it would go to google but no other websites. I tried yahoo.com firefox.com and a few random pages.  The only antivirus software installed is AVG free.

As a test I tried pinging web pages and google was the only one to respond.  Just for fun I did a tracert and found that it gets 10 to 15 hops and then times out.

I also installed firefox and it does the same thing. 

It isn't an ISP problem because she also has a mac and it works fine.

Any ideas besides loading Linux or OSX on it?

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Re: Weird vista problem
« Reply #1 on: 03 May 2008, 11:40 »

Your friend's problem is that she has vista.

But seriously, that is weird. From what you've done I'm guessing you've already tried the true and tested 'restart' button?

How long has she had this computer? I mean, is this out of the box or has she had it for a bit. If the second, try running Ad-Aware on it.

EDIT: this guy seems to have a similar problem, try some of the things suggested there.

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Re: Weird vista problem
« Reply #2 on: 03 May 2008, 16:41 »

Your friend's problem is that she has vista.

Utter misconception. I've had Vista for months and the only real problem with it is the sheer amount of putzes who install it on systems that aren't meant to handle it.
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Re: Weird vista problem
« Reply #3 on: 03 May 2008, 16:55 »

Tommy's told me he has no problem with it either. The only real legitimate issue with Vista is that it's a new OS. How soon we forget, but XP was utter shit when it came out, too. As was Windows 98, as was Windows 95. Compared to XP's initial instances, Vista is a fucking godsend.
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« Reply #4 on: 03 May 2008, 16:56 »

Your friend's problem is that she has vista.

Utter misconception. I've had Vista for months and the only real problem with it is the sheer amount of putzes who install it on systems that aren't meant to handle it.

To continue this little bit. I have a friend who blames every single fault on Vista (He has a laptop with 512 RAm, its split into three partisans. (40 Gig each), and has a total of 572 megabytes of hard drive left free, and still blames vista... Thats ignoring all the illegal software, viruses, fault antivirus software. (Extension edit: I have Vista Premium on my computer I am running at the moment and I have to confess the only problem/nuisance/frustration, I have is the extra layer of security for running some programs, but I like it, just a little extra. But other than that I do enjoy Vista, well since I have the high-end computer that actually has the resources to make it work.)

But drifting on, theoretical Ideas. Maybe it is a hardware fault, might just be the modem has died, and that google is a designated "Offline browse site". You can sometimes get them you set some web-pages to appear offline. (Yes just that sample, not any updated ones.)

Another idea is that since no internet browser is working, just an idea on above. Is it a desktop or Laptop, has it got a built in wireless modem, is it hardwired. If it is a laptop, maybe the wireless button is switched to "Off" it took me about two months to figure that one out.
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« Reply #5 on: 03 May 2008, 16:59 »

To continue this little bit. I have a friend who blames every single fault on Vista (He has a laptop with 512 RAm, its split into three partisans. (40 Gig each), and has a total of 572 megabytes of hard drive left free, and still blames vista... Thats ignoring all the illegal software, viruses, fault antivirus software.

/headdesk

Yeah, that's essentially what I meant. It's not just computer illiterate consumers, either. Manufacturers are bundling it with machines that have absolutely no business running a brand new OS. You shouldn't be running it on anything less than a 2.0 ghz machine with a gig of RAM.
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« Reply #6 on: 03 May 2008, 17:03 »

Yeah, that's essentially what I meant. It's not just computer illiterate consumers, either. Manufacturers are bundling it with machines that have absolutely no business running a brand new OS. You shouldn't be running it on anything less than a 2.0 ghz machine with a gig of RAM.

You have no idea how frustrating it gets, he even went to my dad asking for help and my dad instantly replied. "Fresh computer, rip it all out, clean it, get rid of all that gunk, you have all this illegal software, which is infested with viruses *Here he does a Task manager check, revealing a "Passive" program taking up 100 MB. He also has bit torrent (I'm sorry the thing has so many viruses infesting files its just a no-go, like all file-shares.) So as soon as my dad gives him the rundown, telling him what he needs done.

"I know for a fact I have no viruses". That is what he said to me instantly after my dad left the room and I was enjoying some Xbox360. He then continued with "Its just fucking Vista being the bitch it is"

This guy is a Computer Science student just finished his second year, and is so nieve about the internet, illegal software and viruses I just want to do the exact same thing you do regularly, until I black out, and then some.
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Re: Weird vista problem
« Reply #7 on: 03 May 2008, 17:26 »

That makes no sense to me. My computer is actually LOWER than that (Only a 2.0 Ghz dual core) and it STILL cooks with Vista. Is she running an assload of superfluous processes or something?

I'm currently running Firefox (Four open tabs), six widgets, Pidgin and Windows Media Center running my TV tuner card and I'm only using about 17% of my processor and about 58% of my RAM. I'd be using closer to 10% and 40% if I closed the TV tuner. The system requirements are not the slightest bit unreasonable. Two gigs of RAM and a decent processor are all you really need and that's not something that'll break the bank. I spent a grand total of $600 (Not counting the monitor) putting together a system that runs Vista seamlessly.

The widgits can EASILY be turned off if you don't want them, though I like them. They make for nice, quick access to some consistently useful items (I have a notebad and calculator I use constantly, as well as a weather forecast and CPU usage widgit that come in handy).
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« Reply #8 on: 03 May 2008, 17:32 »

I just turned widgets off to be honest I used to have them but noticed they actually covered up part of my awesome desktop. XP is better than Vista for speed and efficiency, but Vista has a lot of little additions quirks and such which I think makes it more enjoyable, although it was made for accessability (Which it suceeds at , since my mother is now using a computer). This debate can continue, it has been proven that XP is better than Vista, I won't argue about that, but I am just going to add my final point on that debate by saying I prefer Vista over XP due to it running smoothly and has given me no reason to think otherwise.
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Re: Weird vista problem
« Reply #9 on: 03 May 2008, 18:02 »

I also have had pretty much no problems with Vista at all. I really don't understand why people bitch about it so much, other than the obligatory Microsoft hatred.
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« Reply #10 on: 03 May 2008, 21:35 »

I had Vista and it crashed, so now I have free Linux. Vista was okay but I am happy now as well!
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« Reply #11 on: 04 May 2008, 03:13 »

The problem with Vista is that for the amount of money you pay for it to be installed on your computer, you're getting an awfully buggy OS.

Another problem with Vista is that when it came out, it wasn't ready for release. It might be now, but it wasn't then, the amount of bug reports was astounding. Microsoft even admitted to these problems and sent out bugs to fix them. About half a year after the OS was released.

As for the user's computer not being able to handle it... Microsoft did say that "nearly all PCs on the market in 2005 would be able to handle it". In 2005 people. That's 3 years ago. If there's still a majority of people that can't use vista because their computer can't handle it, than there is something wrong with that statement.

Also Ubuntu, takes up 5 GB of space, needs only a 700 MHz processor, with 400 Mb RAM. Vista takes up 15 GB runs on 1 GHz, and 512 Mb. If I want to buy a lap top with 60 GB of free space, boom a fourth of it gone. The Mac OS X requirements for the newest are similar to Ubuntu. Windows XP is 300 MHz, 1.5 GB free space, and 64 Mb of RAM. Look at the difference. For an operating system that just looks nicer than XP, what's the point? (what are the other benefits except for widgets, which you can download as a seperate program?)

The fact that I'm paying 400 dollars for an OS that is still being ironed out, instead of paying nothing for an operating system which works and is constantly improving (Ubuntu) as well as has a very active support community is ridiculous. I have worked with Vista and as far as I'm concerned, the differences isn't enough to warrant me buying it. If you have XP there is no point in upgrading to Vista (until they start making applications that only run on Vista, but that's a long way off) . However, I'm sure this is the same for all OSs.

However, your friend's problems with his computer are quite obviously not Vista related, and he's just being stupid.

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« Reply #12 on: 04 May 2008, 05:54 »

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However, you're friends problems with his computer are quite obviously not Vista related, and he's just being stupid.

Alright I am going against my word by sliding back into this debate.

I bought my computer for £600, which is not bad for a nice decent computer, it came with Vista Premium already installed so that makes it quite a good buy (As well as all the hardware coming to somewhere in the region of £650 if bought seperately at reliable sources). So I guess if you can get a good deal its worth it.

Also my friend is now buying a comptuer bit by bit, same friend who hates Vista with a passion, so he is buying a computer section by section. He is doign it because he wants buildinmg experience (Personally I'd rather let a company build it for me, its cheaper and less risky, of course I'd tell them what I'd want in it!)
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Re: Weird vista problem
« Reply #13 on: 04 May 2008, 09:44 »

Check the hosts file, maybe there's some bogus entry in it, maybe everything but Google is being redirected to 127.0.0.1. (All it really needs is the loopback entry: 127.0.0.1 localhost)

Is it configured with a valid DNS server? Can you get to other websites by IP address, or ping the Mac or router?

Try using OpenDNS.
http://www.opendns.com/

Any ideas besides loading Linux or OSX on it?

Load XP on it. :lol: Yeah, don't bother with Linux. If your friend can't diagnose this problem themselves, they won't be able to do a thing with it.
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« Reply #14 on: 04 May 2008, 09:47 »

Do you have any live cds lying around?

If not, pop this onto your USB stick and test her computer.

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« Reply #15 on: 04 May 2008, 10:49 »

(Personally I'd rather let a company build it for me, its cheaper and less risky, of course I'd tell them what I'd want in it!)

This is untrue. Nine times out of ten, it'll be cheaper to build it yourself than buy a company built. That tenth time, the thing'll generally have a host of problems: poor quality components, cramped case that's near impossible to upgrade due to the design (Dells and Sonys are guilty of this especially), etc. I haven't bought a store bought computer since I was eighteen, and then it was only because my manager had one he HAD to get rid of, so he gave me it for $300 (It was retailing for $600).
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« Reply #16 on: 04 May 2008, 11:51 »

This is what is keeping me from Vista:  Money.  I have no qualms with it other than UAC, which can be turned off.  But if I'm going to upgrade to Vista, I'm going to want a second (or third or fourth) video card, and to do that I'd need a new power supply, and to do that I'd have to move because of the old wiring in my house, by then I'm going to want a new motherboard and processor as well due to AMD not supporting my socket anymore (1207).  All in all, I can see this process taking at least 2 years, and there'll be a new Windows out that supposedly eats less resources. 

The other think keeping me from it is I still haven't played a couple of the older PC games which I don't believe are compatible on Vista, and re-installing all the programs I have is just going to be a bitch anyways.
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« Reply #17 on: 04 May 2008, 22:51 »

Re: Vista, as with most other things it's a personal choice.  I have been running it on my laptop with a 4.9 rating (E8300, 2gb ram, geforce 9500m).  It runs fine, but I'm already getting sick of the background bullshit it does even after I've turned off all indexing, backing up, etc etc etc.  If I can't get over that hurdle I'll be going back to XP, which gives me no shit at all.

I know that seems petty, but fuck it.  The OS is there to serve me, not do whatever the fuck it thinks is best for me.
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« Reply #18 on: 06 May 2008, 19:34 »

First off, I will address the Original Post since only one other person has really tried, and his way isn't something a newbie could do without a bit more explicit instructions (most users don't even know what a hosts file is, more or less where to find it, or the syntax contained therein).

This sounds like a DNS issue, which would be a problem with the internet provider, or with the IP Settings on the computer.  At a command prompt, type IPCONFIG /ALL and hit Enter.  This should list all the network cards in the machine, and tell you how each of them is configured.  You are looking for one that shows it is connected, and has IP information showing.  Make sure they have an address (or two, or three, or more) listed under "DNS Servers."  If they do not, then this is most likely your problem.  Right-click on the Network icon on the desktop, click Properties, and on the left, click "Manage Network Connections."  In the window that comes up, right-click on the network adapter you are using, and select Properties.  In the list, find TCP/IP v4 and double-click on it.  In the settings box that appears, make sure the radio button for "Obtain DNS server address Automatically" is selected.  If it is not, you will have the problem you see now. 

Another cool thing you can do to check if your ISP's DNS is working, is to go to a Command Prompt and type NSLOOKUP and hit Enter.  This will connect you directly to their DNS server so you can run some checks... every address you type, it will tell you the IP address of it... for instance, if you type www.google.com it will show you a list of the IPs of all the servers hosting the www.google.com website.  Try a couple sites, do they resolve to an IP ?  If so, type exit to get back to the command prompt, and try pinging that IP it gave you.

Ok, now that I said all that... people who are still hating on Vista are only doing so because they like whining.  It is now a mature technology and works just fine.  The reason it has such a high overhead compared to XP is that it is designed from the ground-up as a virtual OS.  No programs directly affect hardware anymore.  They all interface with virtual devices to get their work done.  Now, this isn't something the typical computer user cares about in the least, so if XP runs faster on your old machine... go ahead and use it.  If you have a more modern computer whose drivers are made to be virtualized, you will not notice much of a performance difference at all between Vista and XP unless you run all the extra pretty stuff Vista added.  Also, people who say "Switch to Linux" are kidding themselves.  If all you want a computer for is to browse the web and IM, and don't mind beating your head against a wall to get the simplest of computer functions running, like the scroll wheel on a mouse... sure, go with Linux.  Christ, most PHONES can do that now people !  If you want an OS that is actually capable of playing a new game that comes out or running some hot new software that was released without having to download and recompile a new Kernel to fix some bug that makes WINE not work, stick to Mac or Windows.  I don't know about most people, but I prefer spending more of my time using my computer to do what it was built for, rather than re-building my computer to the things I use it for.  Linux is made for computers that perform singular, highly focused services.  It is not a mature Desktop technology (no matter how much Novell or RedHat want to tell you otherwise).  Anyway, the problem the OP is having, has nothing to do specifically with Vista.  In fact, I would go so far as to say over 95% of the people having problems with Vista are having hardware issues, or driver issues from hardware manufacturers who don't Quality Control their drivers well.
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« Reply #19 on: 06 May 2008, 19:44 »

driver issues from hardware manufacturers who don't Quality Control their drivers well.

This is the other big one for me.  I don't have any qualms with Vista as an operating system, my qualms are with everybody else's slow adaptation to the changes.  By the time everybody finally catches up, Windows 7 will be just around the corner, so it'd be pointless to buy Vista then.

Anyways, I'll probably end up buying it a year or two from now when a random crash forces me to reinstall windows and my XP product key is finally used up.  I've used it on two different machines, 4 times, called tech support where they told me that I couldn't use it anymore/ it shouldn't work, and had it still work.  I suspect once they discontinue it I'll run into trouble.

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« Reply #20 on: 06 May 2008, 20:00 »

Heh, that is another funny little thing... when people say "By the time this version of Windows is fixed, the next one will already be out, and I will just use that"... as if the next version will be instantly matured without any issues.

I think the only Microsoft OSes I have used that installed and worked without a single issue, were; Windows XP, Windows 98 Second Edition, and MS-DOS 6.22 (DOS 4.01 wasn't bad either).

If you constantly wait for Windows to be mature with a new release, I hope you don't need a computer for the majority of your lifetime.
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« Reply #21 on: 06 May 2008, 20:19 »

I'm not waiting for Windows to be mature.  I'm waiting for all the hardware manufacturers to mature.  Wasn't it 30% of the errors reported with Vista came from nVidia drivers alone?  From what I've observed, these kinds of things may take a little while to fix.  It's at a somewhat acceptable level now, but I'd still like to hold off until I've played the last few of the older games that aren't backwards compatible with Vista.  Mostly Planescape: Torment, because everyone tells me to play that and I still haven't gotten around to it.

Oh well, like I said, I'll probably end up buying it the next time I have to re-install XP and my key gives out on me, and then holding off on Windows 7 for two years so my purchase feels justified.

Edit: DAMN, I looked up how much Home Premium would cost (the version I would pretty much have to get for what I need), I've also decided to hold off until they have a considerable sale.  This is not me saying I think MS is full of greedy bastards, this is me saying I don't have that amount of money to spend on a new OS.  I'm hoping to start interning at Big Huge Games or Bethesda Softworks in the next year or so, when I'll be able to make enough to afford it.

2nd Edit: Turns out Best Buy is cheaper than most online retailers.  I'm still gonna hope I don't have to for another 6 months, 240 is still a bit much for me right now.
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« Reply #22 on: 06 May 2008, 21:37 »

If you have a major manufacturer's PC, you can legally buy and use the OEM version which is considerably cheaper.  Also, if you bought all the required parts for a computer to boot from a single online vendor and built it yourself, you can do so as well... I bought my motherboard, processor, RAM, case, Power Supply, Video Card, and Hard Drives from NewEgg, and thus, bought Ultimate for $180 or so (Then subsequently got another free copy from a Microsoft Windows 2008 launch event)
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« Reply #23 on: 06 May 2008, 22:15 »

Huh.  Newegg has Premium in the Home section, and 3 3-disk OEM premiums in the Premium section.  That's confusing. Any idea what the difference is between the 1 and 3 disk versions?  Man I'm tired.  That's for a 3-pack, not a 3-DVD OS.

I'm still gonna hold out until  I beat Planescape:Torment, regardless.

And again looking at it, I may stick with my original statement about wanting to upgrade.  When I bought my FX-74, I was under the impression that it was a 64-bit.  This is apparently not the case.  It's labeled as one, but in the environment variables bit it says x86.  This may be because it's currently running a 32-bit OS, but I don't honestly know which is right.  If it turns out it isn't 64-bit, I may wait until getting a new CPU/Mobo so I can take advantage of that.
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Re: Weird vista problem
« Reply #24 on: 06 May 2008, 23:29 »

People who are still hating on Vista are only doing so because they like whining

Or perhaps because they are trying to run it on a machine that can't.  When I arrived at my current workplace they had about a dozen PCs here with Vista Business edition on them that ran like absolute dogs no mater what we did with them.  They were very capable business machines.  E6600 with 2gb ram.  The problem was probably that they used IGPs which were quite capable of running everything needed for business apps but that Vista thumbed its nose at.  Turning off the flashy UI & UAC didn't help the ultra-long login/logout process that users were continually bitching about & the opinion of the system of people using Vista machines plummeted.  Once I rebuilt all those machines to XP the complaints magically stopped (along with a whole bunch of network traffic the network admin here was complaining about constantly)

Also, perhaps people prefer the look & feel of WinXP over Vista or play games that run slower under Vista.  Or perhaps they don't feel that there is a compelling enough reason to move over to Vista and re-learn a bunch if little quirks/tweaks in order to get the most out of the new OS.  Shiny graphics aren't a good reason, as I turn all that shit off.  Benchmarks of XP vs Vista are hardly persuasive either.  There may be settings I have yet to find that stop Vista from doing whatever the fuck it is doing in the background, but until I do find those settings I am not going to magically stop hating that it is doing it.  I've turned off indexing and backups and all that shit, but it still keeps doing stupid shit in the background.

It's pretty much now down to a personal choice, much the same as any other OS choice.  If you like the look of Vista and think there's enough stuff in there to make the move or choose it for your OEM OS on a new machine then that's great.  But if you want XP for whatever reason then that is also your choice.  I hardly think that merits being insulted.

Here's a question!  Perhaps it'll help me, or perhaps I'll already find the answer once I get home and this is nothing more than a memory aide for me, but either way here goes.  Is there some kind of background disk defragging in Vista?  I know that you can still call it up and tell it to defrag and it treats you like a child showing you a "defragmenting!" screen with no other information, but I think I remember reading something about it defragging in the background.  Perhaps this is what it is doing that pisses me off so much.  If it is and I can turn it off (or at least choose to leave it on) I'll be one step closer to being able to run it without wanting to stab something, seeing as everything else seems to be running fairly well at the moment.
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Re: Weird vista problem
« Reply #25 on: 07 May 2008, 03:42 »

and don't mind beating your head against a wall to get the simplest of computer functions running

Here I believe you are mistaken. All the simplest computer functions already come with Ubuntu. Scrolling the mouse wheel? I've never had that problem. You must be using one weird mouse. Installing a new program on Ubuntu is as easy as double clicking on it. Which it actually is. Everything that is available to instal on Ubuntu has been tested to work specifically on that OS. Also, you seem to be living under the illusion that most people use the computer for gaming or with very intensive programs. This isn't true. Most people use a computer for just what you claimed. That's access to the Internet or listening to music or watching movies. Ubuntu works perfectly for this. In fact, Amarok is one of the best music players I know, and it isn't available for Windows. I think the only people who don't use their computers for only these functions are graphic designers, hardcore gamers, and uh... that's it? As far as I know, 80% of the people I know don't need more out of an OS than what Ubuntu has to offer.

Also, assuming everyone has high speed computers that should be able to run Vista is another mistake. If Microsoft says that all computers on the market can run it, but they can't than they're misadvertising. They're also cutting out all those people who can't afford a new computer every three years.

I have two computers that are combined at least 15 years old, running the newest Mandriva, and run as fast as a low end PC with Vista these days. Saying that we're kidding ourselves by recommending Linux is kidding yourself. It's cheaper, and for most people will do the job just fine. It also means you get to keep your old computer instead of having to go to the store every few years for a new one.
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Re: Weird vista problem
« Reply #26 on: 07 May 2008, 06:48 »

FYI, an OEM OS can be sold with ANY hardware. I remember buying XP with a set of thumb screws. If you just toss it in with something else you need hardware wise, you'll save a considerable amount (Somewhere in the neighborhood of 50%).
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Re: Weird vista problem
« Reply #27 on: 07 May 2008, 21:08 »

and don't mind beating your head against a wall to get the simplest of computer functions running

Here I believe you are mistaken. All the simplest computer functions already come with Ubuntu. Scrolling the mouse wheel? I've never had that problem. You must be using one weird mouse. Installing a new program on Ubuntu is as easy as double clicking on it. Which it actually is. Everything that is available to instal on Ubuntu has been tested to work specifically on that OS. Also, you seem to be living under the illusion that most people use the computer for gaming or with very intensive programs. This isn't true. Most people use a computer for just what you claimed. That's access to the Internet or listening to music or watching movies. Ubuntu works perfectly for this. In fact, Amarok is one of the best music players I know, and it isn't available for Windows. I think the only people who don't use their computers for only these functions are graphic designers, hardcore gamers, and uh... that's it? As far as I know, 80% of the people I know don't need more out of an OS than what Ubuntu has to offer.

Also, assuming everyone has high speed computers that should be able to run Vista is another mistake. If Microsoft says that all computers on the market can run it, but they can't than they're misadvertising. They're also cutting out all those people who can't afford a new computer every three years.

I have two computers that are combined at least 15 years old, running the newest Mandriva, and run as fast as a low end PC with Vista these days. Saying that we're kidding ourselves by recommending Linux is kidding yourself. It's cheaper, and for most people will do the job just fine. It also means you get to keep your old computer instead of having to go to the store every few years for a new one.

Ok...

We will go with a few things that are second nature to Macintosh and Windows... how about some personal finance software that lets you e-file taxes ?  Perhaps something to edit your home videos and burn them to a DVD ?  Ok, now that you thought of a couple, how many are easy to use, and don't crash constantly ?  Both of these types of software are the main reason some people buy computers that aren't high-end gaming machines.  Now, when buying a computer, would you rather have one that the software available for it installs easily, works properly, and does not require intense computer knowledge before using it ?

On the topic of MP3 players... Amarok can't even play MP3s over a Samba share.  This is something iTunes and Windows Media Player have done for years, and now have improved upon by allowing you to create and share libraries over the network without knowing anything about networking, creating file shares, dealing with file permissions, or anything else a non-computer geek would know.

I never assumed anyone had any powerful computers.  I stated that both XP and Vista are fine, and that if you feel the overhead is justified for the pretty features in Vista, go Vista, if not, stay on XP.  And XP still runs on my 900MHz Pentium 3, and can run anything that doesn't involve gaming or full motion video.  I use it as a Ventrillo/Music/Webcam/Internet box without any issues (I even use it to e-file my taxes from Quicken !)  There is no reason people HAVE to upgrade OSes if they need to stay with an old computer.  Of the things Ubuntu can do... how many can NOT be done by Windows 2000 (8 year old software) ?  As I said.. Linux is VERY good at doing very specialized tasks, but as a broad brush to do all the things people know computers can do, it falls way short as a Desktop OS.  If you truly need nothing more out of your computer than what it currently does, then there is no reason to go buy a new computer, and there is ALSO no reason to get a new OS.  People get new OSes because they want to use newer software, and do things that only newer PCs can do... many of which Ubuntu can not do.
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« Reply #28 on: 08 May 2008, 17:17 »

Compared to XP's initial instances, Vista is a fucking godsend.

Thankyou. I've had Vista since about a month after it came out in Australia, and my biggest problem with it isn't even Micro$oft's fault... Yeah, it starts to get a bit slow when your hard drive's full, and you're running 18 programs, and yeah, some games run faster under XP, but it's all the little things that are so confusing when you start out (the navigation bars) that i've grown to love the most... Especially when any Vista-Illiterate people try and use my computer...

[EDIT] Just realised i didn't explain what my biggest problem is with Vista... Australian Digital TV Networks don't allow Micro$oft to access their EPG databases, and Media Centre won't display them out of the box.. there are a few workarounds around this, but with wireless entworks, firewalls, and antivirus software, it gets a bit tedious trying to update them, which makes recording shows slightly trickier...
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« Reply #29 on: 08 May 2008, 19:24 »

He calls them "Micro$oft" because they like money.

I get it.
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« Reply #30 on: 08 May 2008, 20:03 »

He calls them "Micro$oft" because they like money.

It's a bad habit i've picked up from other forums... i normally abbreviate it to 'M$,' but for some reason, i feel compelled to used correct grammar, and not be lazy, on this one...
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« Reply #31 on: 11 May 2008, 10:04 »

The repercussions of Gamefaqs. It's quite alright friend, nothing to be ashamed of.
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Re: Weird vista problem
« Reply #32 on: 13 May 2008, 01:15 »

To OP:

Try turning off Vista's built-in firewall.
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« Reply #33 on: 13 May 2008, 18:57 »

also: I initially mis-interpreted 3Z3VH's statements earlier in this thread.  Pretty much everything he's said in here has been Good Advice and much of it mirrors my sentiments toward OSes in general.
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