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The Dark Knight (SPOILERS START ON PAGE 3)
Ozymandias:
Yeah, Marvel is doing a good job of tying their franchises together for this Avengers movie.
I wouldn't be surprised if SHIELD (or just General Ross) is mentioned in some small way as part of the Weapon X project in the Wolverine movie, just to connect the X-Men franchise into it in some small way.
A Justice League movie would be nifty if DC could ever get their act together and make some decent movies not starring Batman.
RobbieOC:
Superman wasn't a travesty or anything. It just wasn't particularly fun...
I have heard rumors (from imdb) that if they were to make a Justice League, it would be using different actors for Batman and Superman... which seems kind of weird, and definitely risky, but also kind of cool. The only two actors I recognized were Common (for Green Lantern, obviously the John Stewart version) and Adam Brody for Flash. Both interesting choices, I'd say.
Surgoshan:
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--- Quote from: Linds on 29 Jul 2008, 17:27 ---Though I'd love to see Superman get his ass handed to him, it's probably best he doesn't come around, as it wouldn't fit with the movies trying to be anchored in reality.
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Actually I personally would really love it if Warner Bros. started to kind of connect, at least imply that the DC movies take place in the same universe. Marvel seems to be doing pretty well with their films so far, people are already excited about Avengers and it's supporting films. Even though Warner Bros. hasn't really mined the DC universe to its full extent (it'll be a fucking tragedy if The Flash and Green Lantern films get made and suck, especially The Flash.)
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Meh. When you start mixing franchises, you have to start retconning why the universes were in fact the same and why there wasn't any indication of that in the past. Why hasn't Spider-Man* been fighting mutant baddies this whole time? Have the thousands of mutants just been avoiding NYC for some reason?
Think about what it would mean in Nolan's Gotham. Setting aside the fact that he'd utterly, utterly hate allowing Superman in his ultra-realistic universe, how would you explain the fact that Superman Returns established that Superman has in fact been flying all over the world, fighting crime, saving people from disasters, and posing for the camera, but hasn't shown up in horrifically crime-ridden Gotham? I mean, he can, canonically, hear everything, and ridding Gotham of the Joker would have been right up his alley.
Seriously, mixing universes like that just sucks. It works for the Avengers because a) Iron Man and the Hulk are so isolated and solitary in who and what they are that there's no wider universe implied beyond them (unlike the X-men). They could bring Spidey in on it, too, for a similar reason. b) They've been planning it from the beginning, at least for the IM and IH movies (whereas Nolan has been planning on building an isolated world for the Batman).
Mixing stories and characters only works well with careful planning, or with undeveloped worlds that can bear some glossing of details and mild bridging of plot-holes. Colliding wildly differing worlds (Batman v. Superman, Spider-Man v. X-Men) just does not work. Period.
And another thing, can you picture Superman's primary colors in Batman's brown-grey darkness? No.
* Comma The Amazing.
JediBendu:
Colliding worlds like Superman and Batman doesn't work?
I guess all the various comic books I have sitting around my room, and the more that I go buy every week, where the world of Batman and Superman not only collide but are the SAME, aren't just 50+ years of cross-franchise legacy, but just some shit that "doesn't work."
Let's couple that with the fact that the DC Animated Universe is the definitive adaptation of all DC work and crosses the worlds of Batman and Superman.
Don't say things that just simply aren't true. You can say it might not work with Nolan's films. But to say mixing Superman and Batman doesn't work is just ignorant. There's a fucking monthly comic book series all about Superman and Batman together. There are regular events where all the heroes get together and face Crises. There's a fucking Justice League, for god's sake.
That was a dumb thing for you to say. Period.
Sorry.
Surgoshan:
The 1978 Superman movie made it canon that Superman can fly faster than the speed of light (and I've not seen this refuted). The most recent movie made it clear that his hearing is exceptional to such a degree that, at the minimum, he can hear all of a city's conversations at a distance of several miles. Thus he can cover the entire surface of the earth and detect all crimes as they occur in roughly eight minutes (with the speed of light as his speed). Thus he makes Batman utterly superfluous because there's absolutely nothing for him to do unless a supervillain comes along that Superman needs to take a few minutes to deal with (Lex Luthor required roughly half an hour) and Batman needs to fill in for him. Never mind that a world with Superman would be utterly cowed and tremble at his godlike presence and simply wouldn't commit crimes.
Superman is the most broken superhero ever. He's awesome, yes, but he really has to stay in his own sandbox.
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