Topic: The Dark Knight (SPOILERS START ON PAGE 3) (Read 199647 times)

Tom · « **Reply #100 on:** 10 Jul 2008, 15:58 »

Catwomen?

I don't think that'd sit well with Nolan, Catwoman isn't old enough for people to have forgotten about.

Ikrik · « **Reply #101 on:** 10 Jul 2008, 16:09 »

Can they bring back Arnie for Mr. Freeze? That would be sweet. And they'd keep it so ALL his lines would be one-liners. "You're not going to put me in da kool-ah" that would be...awesome.

Mickey Rourke did Marv....it would NOT be difficult for him to be Bane. Statham is too short and Vinnie Jones acts and looks too stupid. If they choose to cast Bane it might just be someone no one has really heard of....that would be the best bet.

Dude, people forgave the Hulk. I'm sure they can forgive Catwoman too, especially if she isn't Halle Berry.

Tom · « **Reply #102 on:** 10 Jul 2008, 16:46 »

Good point.

Inlander · « **Reply #103 on:** 10 Jul 2008, 19:02 »

Less Batman talk, more making fun of Michael Bay!

(It's old, but I've only just seen it.)

sean · « **Reply #104 on:** 10 Jul 2008, 19:50 »

I read that in the real physical copy of the Onion.

I'm so hip.

Inlander · « **Reply #105 on:** 10 Jul 2008, 20:16 »

It's only hip if, when you read it, instead of laughing you just smirked.

Tom · « **Reply #106 on:** 10 Jul 2008, 22:48 »

I read it on the internet and did a half smirk and strange enough, it was more insolent than amused.

sean · « **Reply #107 on:** 11 Jul 2008, 09:23 »

Actually, I scoffed when read it.

Dissy · « **Reply #108 on:** 11 Jul 2008, 09:39 »

If Nolan is going to do Bane, why not include the Venom arc? Bane organizes the break-out of Arkham, hypes several of the inmates up on the Venom drug, Bats gets the crap kicked out of him first go around. Enter Bane, disguised as a street dealer, who offers to "help" Batman and give him a more consentrated dose of the drug. Batman kiks ass for about twenty minutes, but suddenly crashes, badly. He is forced to keep fighting, even though he is suffering from withdrawl of the drug. Bane, however, is off kidnapping Batman's allies (Jim Gordon, Rachel Dawes) and finds out who the Bat is. He breaks into Wayne Manor, and waits. There Batman gets the shit kicked out of him.

0bsessions · « **Reply #109 on:** 11 Jul 2008, 10:20 »

Because that would be horrible, cliched and something Grant Morrison would write. Seriously, that reads like Morrison's last arc on New X-Men.

"DRUGS! DRUGS! DRUGS MAKE YOU STRONG! OH NO! I CRASH! DRUGS ARE BAAAAAAAD!"

The End.

Dissy · « **Reply #110 on:** 11 Jul 2008, 11:42 »

That was the whole point of Venom, wasn't it?

And since the Venom drug is almost always associated with Bane, why not continue it

0bsessions · « **Reply #111 on:** 11 Jul 2008, 11:56 »

Actually, venom was rarely portrayed that way outside that horrible fucking movie.

In the comics, Bane was an incredibly brilliant guy who was naturally built like a tank. He used the venom as a leg up because it essentially was basically adrenaline. It pumped him up a bit further and dulled pain. You don't lose anything if you just completely eliminate the venom angle. In fact, even putting venom in would needlessly complicate matters and also come off as a bit "been there/done that" when stacked up against the fear toxin from the first movie.

Faker · « **Reply #112 on:** 12 Jul 2008, 06:25 »

Some people have too much time on their hands

The Best Dark Knight Trailer yet?

minorbird · « **Reply #113 on:** 16 Jul 2008, 04:03 »

Just booked my tickets for tommorow afternoon...
Who else is getting really excited?

Betagold · « **Reply #114 on:** 16 Jul 2008, 13:28 »

The thing is, I could see a Batman with Bane in it ending in either:

A) Batman completely destroys Bane's mind to defeat him, essentially hitting him with every trick he has.

B) A giant mech suit.

I would be super psyched to see either of these movies. You know what would be an excellent plot, once they've got all the villians tied together? No Man's Land.

johnny5 · « **Reply #115 on:** 17 Jul 2008, 07:53 »

DARK KNIGHT TONIGHT! DARK KNIGHT TONIGHT! DARK KNIGHT TONIGHT! DARK KNIGHT TONIGHT!

minorbird · « **Reply #116 on:** 17 Jul 2008, 17:44 »

Pfft. Already seen it.

imagist42 · « **Reply #117 on:** 17 Jul 2008, 18:49 »

no one cares about australia

also I still think it's crazy to go to a big movie like this on opening weekend, much less midnight on opening day

Boro_Bandito · « **Reply #118 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 00:34 »

Went to see it tonight. 4 theaters all sold out. Got best seat in house. Holy shit. HOLY. SHIT.

I honestly can not see how any critic could ever give this movie a bad review. Like usual, I find myself unable to describe with any eloquence how awesome this movie was, and I can't even try, its 3:34 am right goddamn now and I'm tired having been up all effin day.

talon · « **Reply #119 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 01:01 »

Quote from: Boro_Bandito on 18 Jul 2008, 00:34

Holy shit. HOLY. SHIT.

i agree... i can't even describe it without totally geeking out. amazing. i'll talk more later but i just had to say amazing... and watchmen looks way cool too

Melodic · « **Reply #120 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 03:05 »

Watchmen was not The Dark Knight, and thus it sucks.

It was fucking epic. Just absolutely fucking epic.

morca007 · « **Reply #121 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 03:50 »

The Dark Knight was amazing.
That is all.

Dimmukane · « **Reply #122 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 06:02 »

Going to see it this weekend, I'm just going to say that the critic in the Baltimore Sun gave it a C for being too serious. There was a little more to it than that, but that was what it boiled down to.

Also, perhaps now would be a good time to make a seperate thread for the movie? For spoilers and all...

Dissy · « **Reply #123 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 08:10 »

MSN gave the movie 4 1/2 out of 5. I need to see this. Soon.

Emaline · « **Reply #124 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 09:44 »

Oh my god it was so fucking good! It was just amazing. I absolutely loved it.

And The Watchman trailer was all kinds of good. None of my friends knew what it was though, and that was a little sad.

Plasticity · « **Reply #125 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 11:58 »

From this point in the thread, assume there will be spoilers. From this point in the thread, assume there will be spoilers.

From this point in the thread, assume there will be spoilers. From this point in the thread, assume there will be spoilers.

From this point in the thread, assume there will be spoilers. From this point in the thread, assume there will be spoilers.

Yo how fucked up was it when they killed Gordon.

Dimmukane · « **Reply #126 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 12:09 »

Gah' FUCKIN DICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At least write it really tiny or something!!!!!! GODDAMMIT!

KvP · « **Reply #127 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 17:03 »

Actually that post is a lie. If we're going to post actual spoilers we might as well shrink em down so only those who want to can read them.

Ledger was very good, good performances all around, except for Bale as Batman, but whatever. I was thrown a little bit by the gaps in some of the scenes. For example when the Joker crashes the Harvey Dent fundraiser at the Wayne tower, in one scene Wayne has incapacitated Dent and locked him in a closet, then he gets in his getup and saves Rachel Dawes from the Joker. The next scene Dent is in the police station and the Joker has apparently gotten away. What the fuck? Wouldn't the cops have surrounded the building? How did the Joker escape? And for that matter why didn't he or his men do any searching for Dent? How did Dent get out of the closet? Why isn't he curious as to the reason Wayne knocked him out and hid him? There are a couple of scenes like that, which just drop off, and I didn't fully buy the emergence of Two-Face, but overall it was pretty good. My favorite scenes had neither Bale nor Ledger. The first was the cameo by the Scarecrow, who I prefer to the Joker anyhow (what was up with all the early previews that mentioned interaction between the Joker and Scarecrow, possibly having to do with the crazy gas? Was that scrapped or never in the movie to begin with?) and the second was when the convict throws the detonator out the window.

The Albatross · « **Reply #128 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 17:29 »

I think The Joker was robbed of some screen time. It didn't feel like he got a lot of time to develop. Although, the pencil trick was pretty fuckin' nifty if you ask me.

The way Harvey segued into being Two-Face was probably one of the better parts of the movie for me.

And for the love of God, can Bale cut out that fuckin' voice?

And they could have talked more about Batman's struggle with the whole situation at the end. Somehow it felt like he wasn't the main character...

More Ledger, some more Bale (at least with his struggle and whatnot) and I would have easily given this movie a ten.

Trollstormur · « **Reply #129 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 18:09 »

Quote from: The Albatross on 18 Jul 2008, 17:29

And for the love of God, can Bale cut out that fuckin' voice?

2nd'd.

carrotosaurus · « **Reply #130 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 19:14 »

Oh my god you guys, how can a Batman movie be so good? This is everything I've been waiting for.

Blue Kitty · « **Reply #131 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 20:54 »

Mother fucking god, that was amazing. This movie right here, this is the golden standard. This is the movie by which comic book movies will be set against. Hell, the standard by which most movies should be set against.

Two questions though:
1)How are they going to top this?
2)Who is going to be the villain in the next one?

britMonster · « **Reply #132 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 21:11 »

I do believe this is the best movie I have ever seen.

Blue Kitty · « **Reply #133 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 21:14 »

I don't think we should make another one as we are using the old one

britMonster · « **Reply #134 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 21:27 »

I was under the impression that that was a thread for the trailer.

Blue Kitty · « **Reply #135 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 21:38 »

There are some people, such as myself, that are using it to talk about the movie. Then again, it is not up to me. We shall see tomorrow if this thread stands or falls.

Personally, I would love to see some obscure character like they did in the first one with Ra's Al Ghul (I mean in comparison to characters like Joker, Penguin, or Scarecrow). I am thinking Black Mask or Hush, leaning towards Black Mask because I really don't like Hush all that much. Wait, Prometheus or Wrath would also be good.

Scandanavian War Machine · « **Reply #136 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 22:03 »

i still can't believe Heath Ledger's dead.

well...at least his last movie was such a great one...

KvP · « **Reply #137 on:** 18 Jul 2008, 22:31 »

I think the obvious answer is Sub-Zero and Scorpion.

Johnny C · « **Reply #138 on:** 19 Jul 2008, 00:35 »

Quote from: Scandanavian War Machine on 18 Jul 2008, 22:03

i still can't believe Heath Ledger's dead.

well...at least his last movie was such a great one...

Not quite his last.

This was a pretty awesome film. It ranks pretty highly in terms of character and plot, though thematically it's a bit heavy-handed.

Jimmy the Squid · « **Reply #139 on:** 19 Jul 2008, 07:17 »

I just got back from seeing this. Holy hell I have a new favourite movie. Absolutely perfect. My only complaint is that the couple sitting next to me wouldn't shut the fuck up. Don't worry, I'm going to see it again.

Such a great film. Heath Ledger was incredible. Bale was great too. I don't mind the voice at all, really. Nevertheless, Ledger totally stole the show. I would have liked to have seen more Two-Face though. He's such a great character and it's a shame they killed him off.

imapiratearg · « **Reply #140 on:** 19 Jul 2008, 08:21 »

Quote from: Blue Kitty on 18 Jul 2008, 20:54

Two questions though:
1)How are they going to top this?
2)Who is going to be the villain in the next one?

*Caution Spoilers.*
1) Excellent. Brilliant.
2) I initially thought it was going to be Two-Face, but the end of the movie changed my mind. I don't see them doing the Riddler again, since Jim Carey was the Riddler in Batman Forever, which was an okay movie. I think there was some sort of Batman & Robin movie where they fought Poison Ivy and someone else, but that movie wasn't all that great if I remember correctly. I really don't think a sequel is necessary, but that may just be me.

carrotosaurus · « **Reply #141 on:** 19 Jul 2008, 08:56 »

Hey as long as it's not the Calendar Man, I think we're ok. Just please don't let it be Catwoman...
I think Deadshot or Firefily would be pretty cool.

KvP · « **Reply #142 on:** 19 Jul 2008, 11:24 »

I liked the movie, but the more I think about it the more plot holes / contrivances jump out at me (why did Gordon fake his own death again?), and the more I dislike the direction they took with Two-Face. In the movie's he's just a rampaging, revenge-obsessed psychopath, which I guess is serviceable, but I remember in the Animated Series in particular (never was one for comics, unfortunately) Two-Face was actually somewhat conflicted, an actual headcase rather than a disfigured killer, and rather than the two-headed coin being a gimmick that he's more than willing to work around (as shown by the limousine scene where the coin spares the mob boss once but Two-Face kills him anyway through the driver) it's a real weakness of his. I remember an episode of B:TAS where Batman throws the coin in a pile of quarters, and Two-Face is completely incapacitated as he frantically and single-mindedly tries to find the coin, leaving him to be picked up by the cops. Eckhart's Two-Face is unfortunately not nearly as interesting. The only thing the movie can claim a definitive status on is the Joker as far as I'm concerned. I'm of the opinion that Two-Face should've gotten the third movie.

Johnny C · « **Reply #143 on:** 19 Jul 2008, 11:48 »

Eckhart's Two-Face isn't as interesting as a guy with OCD...? Nolan provides us with a nuanced Dent and a legitimate dark side to that character. See his scene near the end with Ramirez - he's bound to the choice his coin makes. Sometimes he just has more than one choice.

Gordon faking his own death made sense insofar as his role in the MCU made him a very viable target for the Joker. What I didn't like as much about it was that I have no idea how he wound up driving Dent's van.

britMonster · « **Reply #144 on:** 19 Jul 2008, 11:51 »

SPOILERS IN THIS POST

Gordon faked his own death so that the Joker wouldn't go after his family like Dent did in the end. I honestly thought the movie was over after the oil can scene. I was like 'Oh they'll continue this in the 3rd movie' I was very surprised when they continued for another hour or so. I was very pleased with the cameo by the Scarecrow.

One thing that bugged me was that they kept calling Batman "the Batman" it just bothered me.

I really want them to do the Riddler, he's one of my favourite Batman Villians.

KvP · « **Reply #145 on:** 19 Jul 2008, 12:27 »

I really liked Eckhart in this one, I just feel that his arc was too squashed (perhaps truncated, there's gotta be a 3 or 4 hour cut of this movie out there somewheres) he certainly shows a dark side, but I didn't buy his two stages of grief (crying in bed and then homicidal rage dictated by coin-tosses). and he was obviously discarded far too quickly.

Lines · « **Reply #146 on:** 19 Jul 2008, 19:05 »

I've skipped over all the spoilers and am going back to the discussion for Bane and I have to say it - every actor suggestion just doesn't seem right for that character. Like Jon said earlier, these movies are more rooted in reality and like he also said, I don't think the dude needs to be super huge in order to be considered strong. If the actor they choose (if they choose Bane) is built well enough and can fit the character, I don't think size will matter. Someone like Mickey Rourke would be cool, but I think Rourke himself is too old.

Also, I hated the look of Bane in B&R, so I'm hoping for a whole new look. Nolan did it very well with Scarecrow so I think he could with others.

Vendetagainst · « **Reply #147 on:** 19 Jul 2008, 19:24 »

I am sorry if this appears out-of-context to the current conversation (I am not reading page 3 because I haven't seen the movie) but the next movie will almost certainly not have the penguin because the directors want villains that have not been frequently used before.

Lines · « **Reply #148 on:** 19 Jul 2008, 19:39 »

That makes no sense considering the recent movie has the Joker and Two Face, both of which are pretty major.

Vendetagainst · « **Reply #149 on:** 19 Jul 2008, 21:06 »

I thought the same thing.

"Prior to the release of The Dark Knight in 2008, David Goyer ruled out using the Penguin or Catwoman as a villain in a future film, preferring to use antagonists from the comic that had not yet been portrayed on the big screen."

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Who will be the villian in the next Batman movie?

Author Topic: The Dark Knight (SPOILERS START ON PAGE 3) (Read 199647 times)

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