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[Jackie Blue]

"New Rule: Stop telling me that vinyl records sound warmer than CDs. I was alive in the '70s, you dip-shit hipsters. I know what vinyl sounds like. Scratchy. And when your friend throws you the bong and it hits the tone arm, your Foghat record is ruined, man! Plus, when you've got a chick over and you're getting your groove on, every 20 minutes, you've got get up out of the beanbag chair and flip over the Ray Stevens album."

- Bill Maher

[E. Spaceman]

Kramer VS Kramer


Kramer vs. Kramer reflected a cultural shift which occurred during the 1970s and the period of second-wave feminism, when ideas about "motherhood" and "fatherhood" were changing. The film was widely praised for the way in which it gave equal weight and importance to both Joanna and Ted's points of view

[De_El]

I'm gonna pretend this is serious.  As a younger person, one thing that pushed me off buying vinyl for a long time was that since it was perceived as this thing that only serious hardcore "audiophiles" and old people still did, I assumed it was more expensive than CDs. 

[sean]

God, I hate this discussion.

[Jackie Blue]

"the ugly, world-shattering truth: a vast majority of the people who profess an affinity for vinyl over cd have no idea what they're talking about. they say it because they think it makes them sound like true audiophiles. at best, they prefer the "warm" sound of tape hiss and analog degredation to the "cold" digital reproduction of cds. at worst, they're posers.

not all cds are created equal. not all vinyls are created equal. mastering makes a monster difference. the quality of your stereo system makes a monster difference. the quality of your turntable makes a monster difference. the shape the needle's in. wear on the vinyl. the pressing. there are a ton of factors, not the least of which is what kind of music it is you're comparing."

-Jeff, of the band Westside Daredevils

[karl gambolputty...]

'Somebody was trying to tell me that CDs are better than vinyl because they don't have any surface noise. I said, "Listen, mate, life has surface noise".'

-John Peel

[Dimmukane]

"Some music is good on vinyl; other stuff, why bother?"

-Me







The two opposites being stoner rock/psychedelia and boy band R&B.

[Jackie Blue]

"I thought my Beatles LPs sounded pretty good on a record player, but that was before I had heard a CD."
 
- Alastair Wood

"I met with a lot of resistance when I wanted our newest album to be a double CD. Many people thought I was going to ruin the band by doing it."

- Billy Corgan

[E. Spaceman]

I don't get the last one. Is it a joke?

[Jackie Blue]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCumH8LRo1A

[Beastmouth]

vinyl is a lot more fun to play with

also hip hop is kewell

[Johnny C]

The needle on the vinyl player directly translates the soundwaves through the speakers. What reaches your ear is literally what was recorded. Ergo, it's better than CD, which is by its very nature a lossy format. Even if it's supposedly lossless encoding, the music loses its organic nature when translated into data.

LPs recorded at Electrical Audio on analog tape have an absolutely incredible sound. Nothing quite like it.

Let's not have this discussion again ever because it is pretty dumb.

[Jackie Blue]

We could stop having this debate if vinyl purists would wake up and realise that the quality of a record degrades every single time you play it.  So, theoretically, the very first time you play a pristine record with a brand-new diamond needle, you are hearing exactly what was recorded.  Every subsequent time you play that same record, you are not.

[pwhodges]

Not even theoretically.  Go on, read up the theory, for real; anecdotal evidence does not a debate make.  That's why this is a dumb debate - always has been, always will be.

Paul
(probably wishing he hadn't bothered...)

[Johnny C]

We could stop having this debate if vinyl purists would wake up and realise that the quality of a record degrades every single time you play it.

I dunno what kind of sterile room you're handling your CD in but if you're suggesting that CDs don't degrade physically in quality every time you so much as touch them you're mistaken.

[Der Turm, der Leute frass]

הןמזך ךםםלד ש'קדםצק שמג דםומגד ש'קדםצק

Vinyl looks just way cooler than CDs, but Is quite unhandily and sometimes very expensive in comparison

[pwhodges]

if you're suggesting that CDs don't degrade physically in quality every time you so much as touch them you're mistaken.

So does a book; but that makes not a jot of difference to its readability until it's severely damaged.

Paul

[Jackie Blue]

I dunno what kind of sterile room you're handling your CD in but if you're suggesting that CDs don't degrade physically in quality every time you so much as touch them you're mistaken.

I don't touch the bottom of my CDs, and neither does the laser in the CD player.

I have CDs that are more than a decade old that sound exactly the same as when I bought them, and I have listened to them thousands of times.

As far as the technical reasons why vinyl does not sound like the original recording:

http://www.recordtech.com/prodsounds.htm

[Caspian]

The needle on the vinyl player directly translates the soundwaves through the speakers. What reaches your ear is literally what was recorded.

maybe if your speakers/the wires from the vinyl to the speakers had perfect frequency response, and the room was acoustically tuned. Maybe then. Otherwise, no.

From an engineering, more objective viewpoint, I can't really see where on earth vinyl wins. I have lots of vinyl because I like the artwork. However, if I want to listen to my music in it's best possible format, I'll put on a cd.. while gazing a the vinyl artwork.

CDs sound better then vinyl. Better reproduction, for a much longer time then vinyl. Also, more convenient and a lot less likely to break. You can argue on other more subjective points, I guess, but if it wasn't for the bigger artwork and design I can't really see anyone still liking vinyl.

[Jackie Blue]

It's just a personal preference.

Exactly, which is why it is so annoying when people try to claim that vinyl is definitively a better format by saying things like

What reaches your ear is literally what was recorded. Ergo, it's better than CD

a statement which is both technically untrue and subjectively inflammatory ("I listen to music better than you do!")

How many times do you hear people start up about how superior CDs are?  Not often.  It's the uninformed vinyl purists who loudly profess their love for THE ONE TRUE LISTENING EXPERIENCE who spark people to offer counter-points.

Also, I thought it was pretty clear I didn't start this as a particularly serious thread, considering the first post was a quote by a satirist.

[Caspian]

vinyl vs cd is serious business, man. You shoulda known better.

I can't really see anyone still liking vinyl.

This is another reason people like vinyl.

You took my quote a little bit out of context there. For the record I enjoy bassy, murky sounds, but if I want that I can rip the cds and edit them on my comp, or deliberately rip the few vinyl I have badly.

[Seal]

i've just recently come to the conclusion that i feel like CDs seem so disposable now, what with mp3s and everyone in the universe being able to burn their own. So despite the sound quality degradation issues you might have with vinyl, i think this is why i prefer to buy vinyl now. To have something special. Something that i cant just download and burn in seconds. uhuh. first post. hello.

[pinkpiche]

I just don't see where all of this is coming from. No one wanted this thread zerodrone. Give it up.

[Mr. Mojo]

CDs do not sound natural. I will say to you what i say to Line 6 fans. "IT'S DIGITAL BULLSHIT!"

[Caspian]

CDs do not sound natural. I will say to you what i say to Line 6 fans. "IT'S DIGITAL BULLSHIT!"

The stupid, it hurts!

[Mr. Mojo]

CDs do not sound natural. I will say to you what i say to Line 6 fans. "IT'S DIGITAL BULLSHIT!"

The stupid, it hurts!

No need to be a dick now.

[Caspian]

I thought people on this forum board had realised by now that nothing I say should be taken all that seriously.

It was still a stupid comment, though.

[Mr. Mojo]

This may sound odd but honestly i prefer shitty quality to incredibly good quality. So yes, records are scratchy, and i happen to like that.

[Inlander]

Christ, I can't be bothered with this argument any more. We've had it so many times in the past, and every single time it ends up in the same place: vinyl fanciers arguing their corner, C.D. fanciers arguing theirs, and everything going around and around in circles ad nauseum, with no resolution in sight.

Kind of like the record from hell, I guess.