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Child Pornography or Art? Is there a line, if so where?
schimmy:
Are you seriously using the term people frequently use to describe the event as proof of what happened? Descriptions can be inaccurate.
I have absolutely no knowledge of the event, so can't comment on it, but really, if you're going to convince anyone about your view, you're going to have to do a damned good job to be more convincing than RedLion was.
Elizzybeth:
Getting back on topic for a bit...
--- Quote from: onewheelwizzard on 28 May 2008, 15:32 ---I think I feel safe saying that even pedophilia is something that ought to be evaluated with an eye towards context. [...] It's an entirely theoretical and abstract point because I'd be VERY hard-pressed to come up with even a hypothetical fictional situation to support my point, but in principle I believe that the morality of something as subjective as sexuality cannot be generalized.
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--- Quote from: RedLion on 28 May 2008, 15:16 ---Anyone read Lolita?
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Actually, I would argue that Lolita is a fictional situation that comes close to supporting your point--or, at least, it's about as grey-area as this issue gets.
When Humbert Humbert meets Lolita, she's twelve years old and just barely pubescent. Though he pursues her (he goes so far as to marry her mother to get close to her), she is not only flirtatious but actually initiates the first time they have sex (and, he points out, she wasn't even a virgin). Later in the novel, he clearly abuses his adult power, often bribing and coercing her into sex, but I've always been a little bit conflicted over that first time. Given, of course, that we take what H.H. says to be true, the beginning of their relationship was more than consensual. Of course, the biggest problem with an adult / child sexual relationship is, arguably, that the adult DOES hold such power over the child, being more mature both physically and mentally; being a corrupting influence or pushing things beyond a comfort level is too easy for anything solid or sustainable to take place.
Ultimately, though, I guess it does all come back to the AOC issue: is twelve too young to consent?
Eris:
Wasn't there a situation where a man went to court and was going to be put on a sex offender's list because he had sex with a 12-year-old? The said girl propositioned him outside a bar and even the judge recognised that she didn't look her age and unless he specifically asked her age (which he obviously didn't; even then, would she have told the truth?) it was an easy mistake to make.
So for ultimately a mistake, this guy is being put on a list which will impact on the rest of his life.
About the photos, I have had this conversation with a number of different people now, and an interesting point was brought up. Would there be this kind of controversy and uproar if Henson wasn't a middle-aged man?
Eris:
But then look at Anne Geddes.
jhocking:
--- Quote from: tommydski on 28 May 2008, 17:18 ---
--- Quote from: pi on 28 May 2008, 15:50 ---also, Armenian Genocide.
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