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schimmy:
--- Quote from: öde on 10 Jun 2008, 12:04 ---The New Labour and Conservative parties are not central at all. They're both fairly right-wing authoritarian parties.
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We could have a big debate about this! It all depends, really. I mean, sure the parties are pretty right-wing by today's standards (and New Labour is ridiculously right-wing by it's own standards) if you compare them to how politics used to be, they're not that right wing. Remember, right-wing is NOT necessarily authoritarian. One of the main values of right-wing politics is giving the state as small a role, and thus as little power as possible. That's why they're all for privatisation. They don't believe any government should have that much say in the way people live their lives. Pretty hypocritical when that belief to most of their social policies, but that's politics for you.
AND authoritarian parties don't necessarily have to be right wing. The USSR was just as authoritarian as the Third Reich ever was.
So yeah, basically parties only really appear to be right-wing and authoritarian because modern values are much more left wing on the whole you dirty goddamn hippy.
öde:
I said right-wing as in economically and authoritatian as in people that think everyone should have ID cards and be monitored everywhere.
schimmy:
Ah, yes. But remember, the Tories are against ID cards and monitoring people. They're just not doing a very good job at being the opposition.
waterloosunset:
surely Labour were further left in 1982 under michael foot than in the wilson days of 1972?
and economically they're hard to pin down, with privatization and PFI on one hand, and on the other hand the extension of welfare state, as well as things like the minimum wage, which as intervention is definitely not right wing
a pack of wolves:
--- Quote from: schimmy on 11 Jun 2008, 05:23 ---Ah, yes. But remember, the Tories are against ID cards and monitoring people. They're just not doing a very good job at being the opposition.
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Actually, I'm pretty sure they're just against the current ID scheme not the principle of it. And although I personally agree that they aren't doing a great job as opposition they are thrashing Labour in the polls and looking increasingly like they'll be the new government, so by their own terms they're doing great.
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