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JD:
Patriotism is a funny thing for americans, for example we hate people burning our flag but don't give a crap about having the sacred american icon on our boxers.

waterloosunset:
Today is the 63rd Anniversary of the Nagasaki bomb.

KharBevNor:

--- Quote from: Thlayli on 05 Aug 2008, 21:58 --- I see nationalism as an educated version of patriotism. Nationalists take the time to figure out all the reasons why they'd rather not be a citizen anywhere else. I'm an American nationalist mostly because I know I wouldn't be fully accepted anywhere else in the world. When your family comes from everywhere and nowhere, a mutt of a country like America is the only glove that fits.

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I'm sorry but...what? This is a combination of bullshit and circular reasoning, in that you are basically saying that you have made a rational choice to suck Americas dick because you were born in America. I mean seriously, it makes a rather good deal of sense that you are most likely to immediately fit in in the country you were born and accultured to. But please don't trot out the myths of America as the all-embracing land of the free. It's easier to emigrate to almost any European country, for a start.

They're also mostly much less racist!

Patrick:
I've had a very hit-and-miss relationship with nationalism in my lifetime. Because of nationalist horsefuckery, my country's embassy in Serbia was torched by anti-Kosovar protesters in Belgrade when Kosovo decided it didn't feel like being ruled by the historically-oppressive Serbs. Personally? I'm glad that the Kosovar nationalists finally got what they've been desperately wanting for so long. But it's because of nationalist jealousy on the part of Serbian nationalists (with a special mention of their Ultranationalist Party) that there were massive violent protests throughout Belgrade as well as many attempts by pitchfork militias to overrun NATO-KFOR's border guards and attack the Kosovar Albanians.

tl;dr: nationalism can be great, because now Kosovo is free. But it's a mixed blessing because the Serbs still somehow feel entitled to the land, claiming it as the "Heart of Serbia". When two forces of that strength collide, the result isn't pretty.

Thlayli:
Wow, who pissed in your cheerios?

I made a reasoned decision to support my nation because my family came over from Europe back before this was even a country. Men in my family have been involved in all the big wars of American history - the Revolution, Civil War, WWII, even the Cold War to a much lesser extent. I'm invested in this place. And having been to Europe, I know exactly what sort of reaction Americans get when they mention their 'heritage'. If an American man were to try what John Wayne's character did in The Quiet Man, he'd be laughed out of the country at best. If you think it's easier to emigrate to any European country, walk into Switzerland and try to buy land.

As for Americans being more racist than anyone out there? I'd point to Switzerland again as a prime example, not to mention France. One of my ancestors actually forced his unusually rich parents to buy a town in South Carolina in order to free the slaves there and give them the land, before the Civil War. Last I checked, they still have the town named after him. The money in my family tree just happened to dry up after they spent everything they had for the sake of human rights.

So yeah, go ahead and jack off to your ideas of American inferiority. I'll just be over here holding up the ethics and work habits that made this country the number one destination for political refugees from just about everywhere in the world.

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