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waterloosunset:
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--- Quote from: waterloosunset on 10 Aug 2008, 06:25 ---Anyone is free to come over
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Talk to any mexicans lately?
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I meant the classic immigrants to america, in the boat pulling up near the Statue of Liberty, wearing shorts, flat caps, maybe playing a few violins
Hat:
--- Quote from: waterloosunset on 10 Aug 2008, 06:25 ---If there's one good thing about American immigration systems, it's the "melting pot" idea. Anyone is free to come over, and then assimilates and becomes and American.
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The problem being that some people interpret the melting pot idea as meaning "leave your old culture at the door, you're an AMERICAN now", and not understanding the point of the melting pot is to create a society where all cultures can mingle together. It's entirely common, at least in Australia for people to use the term assimilate to criticize the desire for immigrants to maintain their ethnic identity.
Vendetagainst:
--- Quote from: öde on 10 Aug 2008, 09:46 ---Vendetagainst I think you're confused about the meaning of the word culture like many people confuse the words accent and dialect.
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That could be, if I did then my bad.
--- Quote from: Anyways on 10 Aug 2008, 06:27 ---
--- Quote from: waterloosunset on 10 Aug 2008, 06:25 ---Anyone is free to come over
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Talk to any mexicans lately?
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Um... yes.
Hate to quote wikipedia, but in Chicago...
"26.02% of the population were Hispanic of any race. 21.72% of the population was foreign born; of this, 56.29% came from Latin America, 23.13% from Europe, 17.96% from Asia and 2.62% from other parts of the world"
So more than one in four people is hispanic and one in five is foreign born, do you think these people are hiding out in crumbling shelters somewhere? 'Cause they're not, you know.
mooface:
Patrick:
--- Quote from: mooface on 09 Aug 2008, 10:44 ---as for racism... seriously? you think that europe is less racist? again, i'll just go ahead and speak for italy where racism is completely ingrained into the culture. if you say something racist against the polish, gypsies, albanians, moroccans... no one even gives you a second glance. not everyone is racist, but it's considered normal to have at least some blatantly racist sentiments. i won't even start on the french and germans who i've known to be openly and unashamedly racist.
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This is pretty much dead on. It's the one thing I've never been comfortable with while living in Europe. Shit, man, I was playing a gig one night back home in Albania, and this guy was telling me about how he visited Chicago and didn't like it because there were too many black people (he used a much less pleasant term for them). He wasn't even the first. And I don't even want to talk about my school in Luxembourg except to mention that such strong nationality-based hatred was one of the reasons I dropped out and have no solid plans to pursue higher education.
--- Quote from: Vendetagainst on 10 Aug 2008, 10:07 ---do you think these people are hiding out in crumbling shelters somewhere? 'Cause they're not, you know.
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Wikipedia knows fuck-all about this kind of thing.
I have an assignment for you. Go anywhere in California between Salinas, Watsonville, and Santa Cruz during harvest time. While driving around, look out your window. There's lots of Mexicans all bent over in the fields, picking strawberries or what have you. Drive around the nice parts of town and you will not see any of these Mexicans. Drive around the shitty crumbly parts? Suddenly, Mexicans everywhere. Hate to break it to you, but illegal immigration is definitely a reality, and these people will never see the end of my sympathy as long as they have to hide out and do backbreaking labor just to make a goddamn dollar.
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