Topic: Risqué Art in *my* QC? How much is too much? (Read 49245 times)

bunnyThor · « **on:** 30 Jul 2008, 20:17 »

(I hereby acknowledge that Jeph will do what he will, and we in the forum are merely Yelling Birds, spouting off to little effect.)

Here's a lingering thread for discussion after the "shocking" Episode #1098 has passed into the archive.

Please detail what you do and don't want to see and why. Also include region/country of origin, as that may have a bearing on your cultural biases regarding the depiction of the human form and certain human activities.

Surgoshan · « **Reply #1 on:** 30 Jul 2008, 20:22 »

I think you're overthinking it. Enjoy that.

Rocketman · « **Reply #2 on:** 30 Jul 2008, 20:30 »

Region: Occupied Confederacy, Fourth Military District

Stance: I like boobies. The boobies must serve the story, however. No penis plz.

katastrophe · « **Reply #3 on:** 30 Jul 2008, 20:54 »

Honestly, this is a comic about adults, and I fully expect it to reflect the storyline which any adult would encounter. Sex is a part of our lives as adults, and therefore I think it fully should be fine to bring up and discuss in detail. Some of our most noteworthy moments are risqué, so why avoid it? I don't think it should be brought in just for the hell of it; however, I have no qualms about the hook-ups and the sex, which are fun parts of life and have all kinds of humorous elements that seem perfectly meant for comics.

Plus, boobies are awesome. Everyone loves boobies!

BlakeJustBlake · « **Reply #4 on:** 30 Jul 2008, 20:58 »

Indeed! Yay boobies!

est · « **Reply #5 on:** 30 Jul 2008, 21:35 »

Jeph could draw a large 1-panel comic of Marten banging a goat while cutting a dude in half with a WH:30K chainsword for all I care. I'd probably be all like "oh hey, Jeph's really got the detail on that chainsword down pretty well. Not sure about how the goat looks though. Maybe it's not shaggy enough? Not sure. Hm"

In the background Faye would be biting a baby.

Like, right on the face, om nom nom nom

Dickbutt · « **Reply #6 on:** 30 Jul 2008, 21:52 »

http://www.questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1098

Oh baby someone turn the air conditioning back on it's g-g-getting hot in here.
Might wanna change that.

Also, I'm kind of in between 'This is Jeph's comic its his choice just let it make sense in the story' and 'This is the limit right here'.

cgarci21 · « **Reply #7 on:** 30 Jul 2008, 22:20 »

Honestly I care very little about the nudity. I don't read the comic for that. If it happens, as it inevitably would in real life, then it happens and it furthers the story. Thats all. I can't understand why everyone is being so fussy.

Chicago,
Illinois,
United States

UglyShirts · « **Reply #8 on:** 30 Jul 2008, 22:35 »

How about this...How about Jeph agrees to draw Faye with her shirt off JUST frequently enough to remember that she's supposed to have a scar on her chest?

I'd settle for that.

foofighterq · « **Reply #9 on:** 30 Jul 2008, 23:06 »

As long as the nudity isnt there just for shits & giggles, and is actually important to the comic/plotline/punchline im fine with Jeph going as far as he feels the comic needs to go. Remember, the comic is Jephs baby, if he wants to suddenly dress the girls in Hijab's, put a set of chatisy tubes on all the male members (no pun intended), and/or just say fuck it and give pintsize a human body (or a close proximate of one) and let him run wild threw the streets of QC land, then Jeph damn well can. The desire hasnt hit him to do so, so sit back, enjoy the ride, and try not to make a mess on your keyboard everytime Faye and Sven appear half naked on your screens.

britMonster · « **Reply #10 on:** 30 Jul 2008, 23:18 »

http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1098 this is 1098. We are on 1198. Lol

Also, I give this a day, maybe two before it is locked.

Man-Eating Eggplant · « **Reply #11 on:** 30 Jul 2008, 23:33 »

I would voice my opinion, but I would be banned for life.

Just like from Arizona.

reicreature · « **Reply #12 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 00:03 »

Quote from: est on 30 Jul 2008, 21:35

Jeph could draw a large 1-panel comic of Marten banging a goat while cutting a dude in half with a WH:30K chainsword for all I care. I'd probably be all like "oh hey, Jeph's really got the detail on that chainsword down pretty well. Not sure about how the goat looks though. Maybe it's not shaggy enough? Not sure. Hm"

In the background Faye would be biting a baby.

Like, right on the face, om nom nom nom

I think I love you now.

Doug S. Machina · « **Reply #13 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 00:32 »

Quote from: est on 30 Jul 2008, 21:35

Jeph could draw a large 1-panel comic of Marten banging a goat while cutting a dude in half with a WH:30K chainsword for all I care. I'd probably be all like "oh hey, Jeph's really got the detail on that chainsword down pretty well. Not sure about how the goat looks though. Maybe it's not shaggy enough? Not sure. Hm"

In the background Faye would be biting a baby.

Like, right on the face, om nom nom nom

Wow. Awesome.

In the next strip, they walk into the frame saying "That was a wild weekend," and never mention it again.

WriterofAllWrongs · « **Reply #14 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 01:08 »

This is risque? That's odd, considering that 99% of TV could basically be translated into 1 show consisting of two A-list celebrities fucking each other with Tommy Lee's dong while 8,000 Palestinians die in the background.

LittleKey · « **Reply #15 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 02:07 »

It doesn't really matter to me. It adds to the comic.

parm · « **Reply #16 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 02:52 »

Quote from: est on 30 Jul 2008, 21:35

Jeph could draw a large 1-panel comic of Marten banging a goat while cutting a dude in half with a WH:30K chainsword for all I care. I'd probably be all like "oh hey, Jeph's really got the detail on that chainsword down pretty well. Not sure about how the goat looks though. Maybe it's not shaggy enough? Not sure. Hm"

In the background Faye would be biting a baby.

Like, right on the face, om nom nom nom

That is so hot.

...

WAIT. I mean, that is so WRONG. Not hot. WRONG. Yes. Er.

Border Reiver · « **Reply #17 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 04:49 »

Quote from: est on 30 Jul 2008, 21:35

Jeph could draw a large 1-panel comic of Marten banging a goat while cutting a dude in half with a WH:30K chainsword for all I care. I'd probably be all like "oh hey, Jeph's really got the detail on that chainsword down pretty well. Not sure about how the goat looks though. Maybe it's not shaggy enough? Not sure. Hm"

In the background Faye would be biting a baby.

Like, right on the face, om nom nom nom

Now that would be an interesting comic. The arc leading to it would be awesome (or one helluva dream sequence - Jeph you like those right?) You're right though, the goat proabably wouldn't be shaggy enough, but I think that that would be due to Jeph's drawing style which doesn't seem to lend itself to textures very well.

But what sort of sauce goes with baby? My guess would be something that goes with the more delicate pork dishes.

Nornin · « **Reply #18 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 05:01 »

Quote from: WriterofAllWrongs on 31 Jul 2008, 01:08

This is risque? That's odd, considering that 99% of TV could basically be translated into 1 show consisting of two A-list celebrities fucking each other with Tommy Lee's dong while 8,000 Palestinians die in the background.

I do agree.
Why is it that (american) people can never see breasts, penisis or vagina without going all prudish?
But violence and murder is something you watch without cringing?

Is this tolerance to nudity confined to Europe?

I see nothing wrong with this picture and for what it's worth, this would not be considered risqué in Iceland!

But then again... we sunbathe topless

Cartilage Head · « **Reply #19 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 05:03 »

You know, because Est's joke wasn't NEARLY funny enough. Thanks for expanding upon it guys! It is SO much more hilarious now.

Border Reiver · « **Reply #20 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 05:13 »

No problem, any time

RightSaidJames · « **Reply #21 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 05:16 »

Has anyone else spotted the irony of this supposed outrage? No?

Well, go back to today's comic. Read the banner/logo at the top of the page. Now read the comic again.

.... do you see it yet?

bunnyThor · « **Reply #22 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 08:22 »

Quote from: Nornin on 31 Jul 2008, 05:01

Why is it that (american) people can never see breasts, penisis or vagina without going all prudish?

A large number of the people who colonized the lands of what was later "America" were religious extremists called "Puritans"--and they were as fundamentalist and conservative as their name suggests. Even though the mechanisms of the new American government were devised and founded by a bunch of free-thinking, agnostic intellectuals, the Puritan ethos carried strongly through the mainstream of American culture, and continues to reverberate there today.

What most Americans would consider moderate and unremarkable in religious observance would be appalingly overzealous fanaticism to most Northern Europeans. And what the mainstream of America considers politically "liberal" would be considered hard-line conservative in most of the EU, and our "conservatives" would be borderline fascist.

Quote from: Nornin on 31 Jul 2008, 05:01

But violence and murder is something you watch without cringing?

America is a relatively young country who was founded during a bloody armed insurrection. This violent revolution is still lionized and romanticized to this very day. Also, much of the American frontier was conquered by outlaws, desperados, and roughnecks, all who frequently came into lethal conflict with both the Mexican conquerors to the south and the aboriginal peoples who wanted the land too. This era of land-grabbing, vigilanteism, and murder has also been sanitized and put on a pedestal as "The Pioneer Spirit of the Old West".

Though most people in America are not violent in the slightest, we still venerate those who are because of our shared history.

Quote from: Nornin on 31 Jul 2008, 05:01

Is this tolerance to nudity confined to Europe?

Except for certain tropical tribal cultures who haven't been "contaminated" by Western culture and missionaries, Europe is the place where nudity is most tolerated.

Quote from: Nornin on 31 Jul 2008, 05:01

I see nothing wrong with this picture and for what it's worth, this would not be considered risqué in Iceland!

But then again... we sunbathe topless

Women sometimes sunbathe topless in America too...just not where anyone might accidentally see them doing it.

Rocketman · « **Reply #23 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 08:41 »

Quote from: bunnyThor on 31 Jul 2008, 08:22

A large number of the people who colonized the lands of what was later "America" were religious extremists called "Puritans"--and they were as fundamentalist and conservative as their name suggests. Even though the mechanisms of the new American government were devised and founded by a bunch of free-thinking, agnostic intellectuals, the Puritan ethos carried strongly through the mainstream of American culture, and continues to reverberate there today.

The North was. The South was colonized by Greco-Roman imitators (guess where most of those free-thinking agnostic intellectuals came from). They had a little spat over how to run things (the abolitionist movement was spearheaded by evangelists who declared that slavery had no place in the 'New Jerusalem'), but we all know how that turned out.

RightSaidJames · « **Reply #24 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 09:01 »

Quote from: Anyways on 31 Jul 2008, 08:45

Quote from: RightSaidJames on 31 Jul 2008, 05:16
Has anyone else spotted the irony of this supposed outrage? No?

Well, go back to today's comic. Read the banner/logo at the top of the page. Now read the comic again.

.... do you see it yet?

Quote from: The QC FAQ, written by Jeph
Q: Where did you come up with the name "Questionable Content"?

A: I was just trying to think of a vaguely unique-sounding name, that's all. It's sort of a joke in that there's not really all that much "questionable content" in QC.

*cough*

Yes, I know that, but my point still stands, as does the general point that this is the Internet, and there is no promise of any page being completely innocent in nature.

Thorbard · « **Reply #25 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 09:34 »

Ok, lets try a different angle: where would you put such a warning on a webcomic page? Why are you looking at webcomics at work?

NSFW is used mostly on places where its not clear to someone reading, say a forum such as this, if a topic or link contains content which may be hugely "unsuitable", when listed on a place where the majority of the content is "suitable".

This QC strip shows no more detail than the one where Raven flashed Sven, Dora flashed Marten, Dora in her underwear in various strips, Sven in a towel or probably a dozen more that aren't coming immediately to mind. What makes them safe for work where this one isn't?

~~mehmeh~~ · « **Reply #26 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 11:45 »

Whether or not it makes logical sense, for many Americans nudity with sexual touching is more NSFW than nudity without touching. I'm personally OK with this episode and even more sexually intense work as long as it continues to serve the story.

I think that this comic really benefited from being be done like it was because it showed her ambivalence and his evident interest well. It was also a great showcase of Jeph's growing talent -- that class he was taking has worked!

marshallbanana · « **Reply #27 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 11:51 »

Quote from: Thorbard on 31 Jul 2008, 09:34

Why are you looking at webcomics at work?

I got bored of looking at code?

No but seriously I don't get it. "An id is a terrible thing to waste"? Am I just dense? What is the joke?

Rocketman · « **Reply #28 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 12:10 »

Quote from: marshallbanana on 31 Jul 2008, 11:51

No but seriously I don't get it. "An id is a terrible thing to waste"? Am I just dense? What is the joke?

"The id is responsible for our basic drives such as food, sex, and aggressive impulses. It is amoral and egocentric, ruled by the pleasure–pain principle; it is without a sense of time, completely illogical, primarily sexual, infantile in its emotional development, and will not take "no" for an answer." - from Wikipedia.

bicostp · « **Reply #29 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 12:12 »

I don't really care if there's implied or obstructed risqué art in the comic as long as it's there to service the plot, rather than the fans.

Location: About 100 miles from where the comic takes place.

celticgeek · « **Reply #30 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 12:42 »

Quote from: marshallbanana on 31 Jul 2008, 11:51

No but seriously I don't get it. "An id is a terrible thing to waste"? Am I just dense? What is the joke?

Aside from the definitions of the id, there was a commercial (for the United Negro College Fund) a while back where the punchline was "A mind is a terrible thing to waste."

Switchblade · « **Reply #31 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 13:11 »

Jeph's strip, Jeph's rules. If this is what he wants to draw, fair enough. Personally, I'd be a little less shy about the girl-nipples, but it's not my webcomic.

Honestly, I don't think "risque" is the right term here - it's not like the fact she's topless is being fetishized, which is what "risque" means to me. So they're getting naked, so what? It's a pretty logical thing for them to be doing in the circumstances. That's the point, I think - so long as the treatment of the theme is matter-of-fact and mature, then the decision as to how much flesh to show becomes purely artistic.

marshallbanana · « **Reply #32 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 13:31 »

Quote from: celticgeek on 31 Jul 2008, 12:42

Quote from: marshallbanana on 31 Jul 2008, 11:51
No but seriously I don't get it. "An id is a terrible thing to waste"? Am I just dense? What is the joke?

Aside from the definitions of the id, there was a commercial (for the United Negro College Fund) a while back where the punchline was "A mind is a terrible thing to waste."

Well I knew that second part...

Thanks for the help... being as I'm a computer scientist and not a psychologist, I read that as i.d. XD

celticgeek · « **Reply #33 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 14:13 »

All computer scientists are welcome here.

Welcome!

And introduce yourself in the "Hi, I'm new section."

Vendetagainst · « **Reply #34 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 15:26 »

Quote from: celticgeek on 31 Jul 2008, 12:42

Quote from: marshallbanana on 31 Jul 2008, 11:51
No but seriously I don't get it. "An id is a terrible thing to waste"? Am I just dense? What is the joke?

Aside from the definitions of the id, there was a commercial (for the United Negro College Fund) a while back where the punchline was "A mind is a terrible thing to waste."

not a punchline, a slogan.

Suzi · « **Reply #35 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 16:14 »

Hmm.. I don't mind a bit of nudity at all. Even though it's pretty much a joke.. the title of this comic is Questionable Content. Sooo there you go.. it may contain some content that is questionable.. sooo if you're not comfortable, don't read it!

Jeph, great comic..

Faye + Sven = Cuteness!

MrBlu · « **Reply #36 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 19:25 »

=\ You care too much.

Even The Outer Circle shows a bit of nudity.

ThisIsOriginal · « **Reply #37 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 20:27 »

It's partial nudity whoop-de-doo.

oh and for those "it should say NSFW" people, your saying if a partial nude women walked in to your work and stud in front of you, you would be just as mad?

didn't think so.

hurkkk · « **Reply #38 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 21:37 »

might i point out sven's armpit hair in the newest comic?

far too risque! =o

Surgoshan · « **Reply #39 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 22:24 »

Quote from: hurkkk on 31 Jul 2008, 21:37

might i point out sven's armpit hair in the newest comic?

No. You might not. Heathen!

Aerodyne · « **Reply #40 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 23:09 »

Quote from: Surgoshan on 31 Jul 2008, 22:24

Quote from: hurkkk on 31 Jul 2008, 21:37
might i point out sven's armpit hair in the newest comic?

No. You might not. Heathen!

Let's not forget the miles of butt cleavage in the third frame.

dr. amy legit esq. · « **Reply #41 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 23:10 »

Risque'? Well, we saw Faye and Sven pretty much as naked before, though I'll admit the boob-grabbage is taking it a little farther than Jeph has in the past... I fully blame the influence of Anders Loves Maria, which has *far* more risque nudity, anyway... I don't understand the offense, it's not gratuitous, and kinda funny in that last panel...*shrug*

Oh, and I'm from Sacramento, California... but in my heart, I live in a cave in the Pyrenes...

britMonster · « **Reply #42 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 23:38 »

I'm an American. I've lived here all my life, and I have no problem with nudity. Not all Americans have issues with things like that. Just some of them who are uptight. I hate clothes actually, whenever I can be. . . I'm naked.

Vendetagainst · « **Reply #43 on:** 31 Jul 2008, 23:47 »

in America views on sexuality are really polarized, either you adore it or you detest it*

*By which I mean depictions of sexuality as well as views on what is acceptable within sexuality**

**Because honestly, who isn't a slut in their own little fantasies?***

***I mean really, just think of the last thing you thought of while jacking it.****

****people can't even bend like that, dude. Come on.

bunnyThor · « **Reply #44 on:** 01 Aug 2008, 09:04 »

Quote from: Switchblade on 31 Jul 2008, 13:11

Honestly, I don't think "risque" is the right term here - it's not like the fact she's topless is being fetishized, which is what "risque" means to me.

risqué
Suggestive of sexual impropriety; bordering on the indelicate.

You may want to update your mental definition.

Switchblade · « **Reply #45 on:** 01 Aug 2008, 10:37 »

Quote from: bunnyThor on 01 Aug 2008, 09:04

risqué
Suggestive of sexual impropriety; bordering on the indelicate.

You may want to update your mental definition.

Quote

Impropriety:
# an improper demeanor
# the condition of being improper
# indecency: an indecent or improper act
# familiarity: an act of undue intimacy

I honestly don't think any of those apply here. I've seen nothing "improper" about these last two strips. The subject's being handled with considerable delicacy in fact - more than I personally think is necessary.

Hence, I don't think the term "risqué" is entirely accurate.

monkeybiz · « **Reply #46 on:** 01 Aug 2008, 16:04 »

Quote

Women sometimes sunbathe topless in America too...just not where anyone might accidentally see them doing it.

You mean like my roof?

This whole argument is a microcosm of American culture. Some people think the human form can be appreciated and enjoyed, and others feel it's shameful and should be covered up.

The NSFW tag is designed to indicate content that is Not Safe For Work. Outright nudity, graphic depictions of sex, etc., none of which Jeph illustrated here. All we see is foreplay and afterglow.

I really don't get what the big deal is.

avra · « **Reply #47 on:** 01 Aug 2008, 17:43 »

I have no problem with it. As long as I can for the most part look at qc on my school laptop without worrying about getting in trouble, I don't mind some nudity. Just as long as it serves a purpose.

RevxlvingDxxr · « **Reply #48 on:** 01 Aug 2008, 19:31 »

I guess if "moar hits" is a purpose, then, yes, the recent comics definitely seem to serve a purpose.

I miss the old QC. It had these lovable, fumbling, truly enjoyable characters. I have NO idea where those characters went. :\

WriterofAllWrongs · « **Reply #49 on:** 01 Aug 2008, 20:34 »

"I'm more an early QC fan, you know, before they started showing natural, regular parts of human life instead of telling a joke about Steven Malkmus every other comic. They totally sold out."

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katastrophe

Man-Eating Eggplant

marshallbanana

marshallbanana

Suzi

ThisIsOriginal

hurkkk

Aerodyne

dr. amy legit esq.

avra

RevxlvingDxxr

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